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All of Disney's troubles are coming from retaliation to their direct political donations. and this is why you donate anonymously. everyone likes to imagine Rus

All of Disney's troubles are coming from retaliation to their direct political donations. and this is why you donate anonymously. everyone likes to imagine Russians and Saudi's swaying US politics - the boogeyman du jour - but this is the more realistic outcome: retaliation by the incumbent party. Just form the LLC, donate, shut it down before that state's reporting requirements come into effect. for coders: an LLC instance rendered JIT

Hamuko 4y ago
>Just form the LLC, donate, shut it down before that state's reporting requirements come into effect. Is that legal?
- vmception 4y ago
  It is legal. or the consequences are non-existent. Read the desired state's LLC statutes. Pick a state with the desired LLC statutes.
tablespoon 4y ago
> All of Disney's troubles are coming from retaliation to their direct political donations. > and this is why you donate anonymously. If Disney had to donate anonymously, I bet it wouldn't donate at all. It's a corporation, and whatever donations it makes are most likely PR expenditures (either internally or externally directed).
- ethbr0 4y ago
  The point is: it wouldn't be anonymous to the politicians it's supporting, however it's on the books. Most corporations don't actually care about politics, beyond (1) What's good for my business? & (2) What's good PR? The interesting thing about Disney is that in this case they were caught between a contradictory (1) & (2). Which, to the parent's point, a more adept PR department / anonymous donations wouldn't have allowed to happen in the first place. DeSantis' realpolitik is pretty skillful. In this case: if Disney was quiet, he avoided the headache of fighting them; if Disney loudly opposed, he got news and political base support out of fighting them. Win/win.
  - KarlKemp 4y ago
    Disney's public statement is worth far more than any donation. It's an American icon, a local behemoth, and a cultural institution.
    - ethbr0 4y ago
      It's a soulless corporation, and ascribing its motives to anything other than a currently-calculated maximizing of self-preservation and growth is delusion.
danaris 4y ago
Translation: "Disney, after massive protests from their own employees due to donating significantly to support the "Don't Say Gay" bill in Florida, donated some to the other side, and because of this, Florida's governor decided to pull out the nuclear option by committing to something he didn't even understand in hopes of hurting Disney." And you think this is...what, normal? The way things should be? That by daring to even try (very ineptly) to be "neutral", Disney deserves retaliation from the vindictive petty autocrat in the Governor's mansion? I mean, I don't at all think Disney comes up smelling like roses in this, but to shrug your shoulders and say, "eh, if you wanted to be treated fairly, you shouldn't have let anyone know you don't unquestioningly support everything the current administration wants" seems to be...the world's most supine moral position. (After all, if there's nothing to be done about how bad things are, you don't have to feel guilty for not doing anything, right?)
- ethbr0 4y ago
  Let's not clutch our pearls and act surprised. Florida politics has been a cesspool of graft, with a veneer of tan and teeth whitener, for decades.
  - danaris 4y ago
    I'm not trying to say that politics there aren't terrible. I'm trying to say that, observing someone (whether human or corporation) fall afoul of that in such a very blatant way, and effectively saying, "Welp, you should've known not to criticize your overlords" helps to both normalize and perpetuate that kind of corruption and self-serving behavior.
- vmception 4y ago
  > seems to be...the world's most supine moral position well yeah thats because its an amoral position. was that not clear? is that clear now? I do this in a variety of countries, towards people of multiple parties in those countries sometimes, I was born in the US and subject to its indoctrination but its not possible for me personally to subscribe to an idea of treating the US differently: do the thing that gets influence without consequence. figure out what that thing is. some countries enshrine their corruption in the rule of law. cool.
mikeryan 4y ago
That’s not exactly it. Disney publicly criticized the new Florida “Don’t say gay” bill. And then said they’d no longer donate to FL legislature. They’d made a 50k donation to governor DeSantis in the past so it’s more about them NOT making donations. This act by Disney had to be public or it wouldn’t have had any weight. Making those donations privately probably would defeat the purpose of showing support to the legislature.
- imperio59 4y ago
  Willing to bet you didn't read what the actual bill says or does. It does not say "don't say gay", it says sexual education to kids should not happen before a certain grade (3rd grade IIRC) and be age appropriate, which should be non controversial unless you have some weird notion that a 7 year old needs to be taught about sex.
  - woah 4y ago
    Who cares? This is literally an instance of a sitting government official using the power of his office to punish a private enterprise for not donating to him. It's that simple. That's what Disney did to offend DeSantis (that, and excersizing their free speech). It's a straight up banana republic shakedown.
    - no-dr-onboard 4y ago
      > punish a private enterprise for not donating to him That's a pretty big claim that I've yet to see evidence for. Is this conjecture?
  - mikestew 4y ago
    Willing to bet you didn't read what the actual bill says or does. Ah, yes, the new talking point that I’ve seen a lot of lately: “I’ll bet you haven’t even read it. Here, let me…” Yeah, save your patronizing, I read it just fine. And my take-away was, “don’t say gay” is about as accurate a summary as one is likely to get. Sure, those are exact words aren’t in there, but man, is that ever a weak rebuttal.
KarlKemp 4y ago
Disney doesn't have much trouble: see headline. And why are you advocating for the corrupt, ineffective, possibly illegal, and cowardly alternative? You think Disney is entirely inept? Does their courage somehow scare you? "Please, dear corporation, wear a helmet"? They took a stance, they'll be fine, they have a spine.
- vmception 4y ago
  It wasn't really about Disney it was about your own movements and using them as a cautionary tale.
twoxproblematic 4y ago
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Hamuko 4y ago

>Just form the LLC, donate, shut it down before that state's reporting requirements come into effect. Is that legal?

vmception 4y ago
It is legal. or the consequences are non-existent. Read the desired state's LLC statutes. Pick a state with the desired LLC statutes.

tablespoon 4y ago

> All of Disney's troubles are coming from retaliation to their direct political donations. > and this is why you donate anonymously. If Disney had to donate anonymously, I bet it wouldn't donate at all. It's a corporation, and whatever donations it makes are most likely PR expenditures (either internally or externally directed).

ethbr0 4y ago
The point is: it wouldn't be anonymous to the politicians it's supporting, however it's on the books. Most corporations don't actually care about politics, beyond (1) What's good for my business? & (2) What's good PR? The interesting thing about Disney is that in this case they were caught between a contradictory (1) & (2). Which, to the parent's point, a more adept PR department / anonymous donations wouldn't have allowed to happen in the first place. DeSantis' realpolitik is pretty skillful. In this case: if Disney was quiet, he avoided the headache of fighting them; if Disney loudly opposed, he got news and political base support out of fighting them. Win/win.
- KarlKemp 4y ago
  Disney's public statement is worth far more than any donation. It's an American icon, a local behemoth, and a cultural institution.
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    It's a soulless corporation, and ascribing its motives to anything other than a currently-calculated maximizing of self-preservation and growth is delusion.

danaris 4y ago

Translation: "Disney, after massive protests from their own employees due to donating significantly to support the "Don't Say Gay" bill in Florida, donated some to the other side, and because of this, Florida's governor decided to pull out the nuclear option by committing to something he didn't even understand in hopes of hurting Disney." And you think this is...what, normal? The way things should be? That by daring to even try (very ineptly) to be "neutral", Disney deserves retaliation from the vindictive petty autocrat in the Governor's mansion? I mean, I don't at all think Disney comes up smelling like roses in this, but to shrug your shoulders and say, "eh, if you wanted to be treated fairly, you shouldn't have let anyone know you don't unquestioningly support everything the current administration wants" seems to be...the world's most supine moral position. (After all, if there's nothing to be done about how bad things are, you don't have to feel guilty for not doing anything, right?)

ethbr0 4y ago
Let's not clutch our pearls and act surprised. Florida politics has been a cesspool of graft, with a veneer of tan and teeth whitener, for decades.
- danaris 4y ago
  I'm not trying to say that politics there aren't terrible. I'm trying to say that, observing someone (whether human or corporation) fall afoul of that in such a very blatant way, and effectively saying, "Welp, you should've known not to criticize your overlords" helps to both normalize and perpetuate that kind of corruption and self-serving behavior.
vmception 4y ago
> seems to be...the world's most supine moral position well yeah thats because its an amoral position. was that not clear? is that clear now? I do this in a variety of countries, towards people of multiple parties in those countries sometimes, I was born in the US and subject to its indoctrination but its not possible for me personally to subscribe to an idea of treating the US differently: do the thing that gets influence without consequence. figure out what that thing is. some countries enshrine their corruption in the rule of law. cool.

mikeryan 4y ago

That’s not exactly it. Disney publicly criticized the new Florida “Don’t say gay” bill. And then said they’d no longer donate to FL legislature. They’d made a 50k donation to governor DeSantis in the past so it’s more about them NOT making donations. This act by Disney had to be public or it wouldn’t have had any weight. Making those donations privately probably would defeat the purpose of showing support to the legislature.

imperio59 4y ago
Willing to bet you didn't read what the actual bill says or does. It does not say "don't say gay", it says sexual education to kids should not happen before a certain grade (3rd grade IIRC) and be age appropriate, which should be non controversial unless you have some weird notion that a 7 year old needs to be taught about sex.
- woah 4y ago
  Who cares? This is literally an instance of a sitting government official using the power of his office to punish a private enterprise for not donating to him. It's that simple. That's what Disney did to offend DeSantis (that, and excersizing their free speech). It's a straight up banana republic shakedown.
  - no-dr-onboard 4y ago
    > punish a private enterprise for not donating to him That's a pretty big claim that I've yet to see evidence for. Is this conjecture?
- mikestew 4y ago
  Willing to bet you didn't read what the actual bill says or does. Ah, yes, the new talking point that I’ve seen a lot of lately: “I’ll bet you haven’t even read it. Here, let me…” Yeah, save your patronizing, I read it just fine. And my take-away was, “don’t say gay” is about as accurate a summary as one is likely to get. Sure, those are exact words aren’t in there, but man, is that ever a weak rebuttal.

KarlKemp 4y ago

Disney doesn't have much trouble: see headline. And why are you advocating for the corrupt, ineffective, possibly illegal, and cowardly alternative? You think Disney is entirely inept? Does their courage somehow scare you? "Please, dear corporation, wear a helmet"? They took a stance, they'll be fine, they have a spine.

vmception 4y ago
It wasn't really about Disney it was about your own movements and using them as a cautionary tale.

twoxproblematic 4y ago

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