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In the UK under RIPA some authority could get records from your ISP of accesses to a CD info download system. Then they can ask that service for the list of tra

In the UK under RIPA some authority could get records from your ISP of accesses to a CD info download system. Then they can ask that service for the list of track titles. As copyright is tort, the balance of probabilities is then that you infringed copyright. Doesn't quite make sense, as copyright is tort, but there are police departments devoted to court enforcement. I'd be wary. Not saying it will happen, but seems easy to catch a lot of people with the draconian powers and laws of UK.

daveoc64 5y ago
Or you could have just put the CD into your PC to listen to the music, and it downloaded the metadata for on-screen use only?
michaelmrose 5y ago
So we start with a wronged party like a copyright owner. They ask a service that is likely in a different country for all the info on the people who looked up metadata of ip they own and don't get laughed out of court. Then they demand that isps all over the country give names and addresses of people all over the UK that broke no law and did no wrong in hopes of conducting a fishing expedition and don't get laughed out of court. Now they know who pays the bill for each home network but have no idea who actually downloaded the perfectly legal metadata and no way whatsoever to correlate the data of unknown users of the data with potentially unnamed buyers who legally purchased mp3s from multiple channels like Apple but you think a judge is going to let you paw through every computer in someone's home because you think they probably ripped a cd instead of downloading it on itunes 6 years ago on a different computer at a different address. Does this sound real?
- nybble41 5y ago
  > So we start with a wronged party like a copyright owner. "Wronged" implies that they were harmed in some way. A better term would be "offended". They discovered, indirectly, that someone else was doing something they don't approve of—which otherwise doesn't affect them at all—and they want it stopped by any means necessary, even though this will just make the other person worse off without materially improving their own situation.

daveoc64 5y ago

Or you could have just put the CD into your PC to listen to the music, and it downloaded the metadata for on-screen use only?

michaelmrose 5y ago

So we start with a wronged party like a copyright owner. They ask a service that is likely in a different country for all the info on the people who looked up metadata of ip they own and don't get laughed out of court. Then they demand that isps all over the country give names and addresses of people all over the UK that broke no law and did no wrong in hopes of conducting a fishing expedition and don't get laughed out of court. Now they know who pays the bill for each home network but have no idea who actually downloaded the perfectly legal metadata and no way whatsoever to correlate the data of unknown users of the data with potentially unnamed buyers who legally purchased mp3s from multiple channels like Apple but you think a judge is going to let you paw through every computer in someone's home because you think they probably ripped a cd instead of downloading it on itunes 6 years ago on a different computer at a different address. Does this sound real?

nybble41 5y ago
> So we start with a wronged party like a copyright owner. "Wronged" implies that they were harmed in some way. A better term would be "offended". They discovered, indirectly, that someone else was doing something they don't approve of—which otherwise doesn't affect them at all—and they want it stopped by any means necessary, even though this will just make the other person worse off without materially improving their own situation.