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You say that, but other people say the opposite. I have no idea who's right. If you happen to have a link to a detailed legal analysis, with references, feel fr

by bloak 4y ago

You say that, but other people say the opposite. I have no idea who's right. If you happen to have a link to a detailed legal analysis, with references, feel free to post it. I don't promise to read it myself but probably someone reading this is sufficiently interested in copyright law to read further.

Beltalowda 4y ago
It depends on the jurisdiction. I don't know what the status is in the US, but copies for personal use are legal in the Netherlands. In fact, you actually pay a "private copying levy" for most devices capable of storing media (blank CDs, hard drives, phones, etc.) Looks like there's something similar in a number of other European countries, but I don't know the details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy
- Jaruzel 4y ago
  Here in the UK, it's currently illegal - the High Court ruled in favour of the Musicians Union back 2015, and it's yet to be overturned (again). The distinction is, that while it's NOT illegal to copy a CD to another format, it IS illegal to make a copy of something that has someone else's copyright on it, be it music, spoken word, written documents, videos or photos etc.
  - judysjacket 4y ago
    >it IS illegal to make a copy of something that has someone else's copyright on it That can't be true. It would mean doing backups are effectively illegal (can only backup your own files, not programs or the OS or any other files not created by oneself)
    - Jaruzel 4y ago
      Unfortunately it is true. Explained in the last paragraph of this section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping#United_Kingdom
michaelmrose 4y ago
For practical purposes the legality of ripping ones one own legally acquired cds is meaningless because it is impossible that one should face enforcement regardless of legality. A good argument could be had that in the US it is fair use however its hard to establish the legality given that in nearly 40 years in the US nobody has ever insofar as I'm able to discern ever had action taken against them solely for copying CDs to a computer or device for personal use. DVDs are more complicated as tools to remove DRM are illegal under the DMCA. There are 100 different jurisdictions and while the law is different the practical situation is the same. Who is exactly going to police you copying your own cds in your own home? How is bob from bob's records to discover you have copied it? One should have to convince congress to require Operating systems to rat you out to bob then convince users to use such systems.
- throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
  they wouldn't go after nobodies, that's true. but if you're an inconvenient person for the powers that be, you may very well have the book get thrown at you.
  - michaelmrose 4y ago
    Why hasn't this happened in decades?
- pbhjpbhj 4y ago
  In the UK under RIPA some authority could get records from your ISP of accesses to a CD info download system. Then they can ask that service for the list of track titles. As copyright is tort, the balance of probabilities is then that you infringed copyright. Doesn't quite make sense, as copyright is tort, but there are police departments devoted to court enforcement. I'd be wary. Not saying it will happen, but seems easy to catch a lot of people with the draconian powers and laws of UK.
  - daveoc64 4y ago
    Or you could have just put the CD into your PC to listen to the music, and it downloaded the metadata for on-screen use only?

by bloak 4y ago

Beltalowda 4y ago

It depends on the jurisdiction. I don't know what the status is in the US, but copies for personal use are legal in the Netherlands. In fact, you actually pay a "private copying levy" for most devices capable of storing media (blank CDs, hard drives, phones, etc.) Looks like there's something similar in a number of other European countries, but I don't know the details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy

Jaruzel 4y ago
Here in the UK, it's currently illegal - the High Court ruled in favour of the Musicians Union back 2015, and it's yet to be overturned (again). The distinction is, that while it's NOT illegal to copy a CD to another format, it IS illegal to make a copy of something that has someone else's copyright on it, be it music, spoken word, written documents, videos or photos etc.
- judysjacket 4y ago
  >it IS illegal to make a copy of something that has someone else's copyright on it That can't be true. It would mean doing backups are effectively illegal (can only backup your own files, not programs or the OS or any other files not created by oneself)
  - Jaruzel 4y ago
    Unfortunately it is true. Explained in the last paragraph of this section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping#United_Kingdom

michaelmrose 4y ago

For practical purposes the legality of ripping ones one own legally acquired cds is meaningless because it is impossible that one should face enforcement regardless of legality. A good argument could be had that in the US it is fair use however its hard to establish the legality given that in nearly 40 years in the US nobody has ever insofar as I'm able to discern ever had action taken against them solely for copying CDs to a computer or device for personal use. DVDs are more complicated as tools to remove DRM are illegal under the DMCA. There are 100 different jurisdictions and while the law is different the practical situation is the same. Who is exactly going to police you copying your own cds in your own home? How is bob from bob's records to discover you have copied it? One should have to convince congress to require Operating systems to rat you out to bob then convince users to use such systems.

throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
they wouldn't go after nobodies, that's true. but if you're an inconvenient person for the powers that be, you may very well have the book get thrown at you.
- michaelmrose 4y ago
  Why hasn't this happened in decades?
pbhjpbhj 4y ago
In the UK under RIPA some authority could get records from your ISP of accesses to a CD info download system. Then they can ask that service for the list of track titles. As copyright is tort, the balance of probabilities is then that you infringed copyright. Doesn't quite make sense, as copyright is tort, but there are police departments devoted to court enforcement. I'd be wary. Not saying it will happen, but seems easy to catch a lot of people with the draconian powers and laws of UK.
- daveoc64 4y ago
  Or you could have just put the CD into your PC to listen to the music, and it downloaded the metadata for on-screen use only?