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I’m surprised you see those two pieces of “advice” as being different schools of pedagogy, because to me they are very much the same. The latter is a better app
by EnKopVand 4y ago
I’m surprised you see those two pieces of “advice” as being different schools of pedagogy, because to me they are very much the same. The latter is a better approach, but it’s still a very flawed approach to childcare that were largely ”deprecated” in the 90ies in my country. Because neither of them deals with the child as more than a piece of clay, or an, animal as the author even highlighted.
Don’t get me wrong. Both ways work, and more modern pedagogy builds on the lessons learned from these approaches, but the best way to deal with crime and punishment isn’t these methods, it’s to deal with children rather similar to how you would deal with an adult but then comfort them as though they are children. If that sounds weird to you just imagine how annoying it would be for you if your boss started complimenting you on every thing you do that aligns with what they want to cultivate in you. I know some people might like that, but most of us would feel like we were being treated like idiots. The effect is a little different in children, but some will still feel that way and others will grow up to be very compliment seeking and spend decades in therapy learning how they I be themselves.
What you’ll want to do is to calmly explain why X behaviour is amazing and how proud you are of it. When that is actually true, and then only for as long as it takes for your children to learn that saying thanks when someone give them something is good. Similarly you calmly explain why Y behaviour is terrible, but it’s not like you can’t use reasonable amounts of punishment to teach about consequences. By reasonable I mean things similar to “if you don’t stop hitting the cat in the head with your doll now that I’ve explained why not to do so 20 times, then I’m going to take the doll away for the rest of the day”.
The biggest influence, and most important advice, is consistency. If you say that you’re going to take away the doll for the rest of the day, or when you say no to ice cream, then you absolutely have to follow through. Except when you were wrong, or when you’ve greatly miscalculated the importance of something, and if you’re consistent enough otherwise, then this will simply teach your child that it’s ok to be wrong and admit it. On the flip side of this, you actually have to say yes. One of the biggest challenges I personally faced when I had my first child was that it’s ok to sometimes have ice cream along with your breakfast within modern pedagogy. But it turned out that by saying yes when there is no reason not to, then it becomes really easy to say no because a no is just accepted as your offspring knows that it won’t always be a no.
I think a lot of good parenting is working on yourself though. I mean, why are you getting worked up over what a 4 year old is doing? You have an infinite amount of patience compared to them.
- simonh 4y agoThe thing about being biased towards saying yes, but insisting they ask, seems to be very powerful. We’ve never hidden sweets, we don’t have a lot around but when we do they’re accessible. We’ve always told the children to ask if they want sweets and that the answer will usually be yes unless there’s a reason, like it’s meal time soon or we’re saving those sweets for some reason. Trusting us that the answer would be yes (and we had to follow through on that occasionally), but having to ask created just enough of a barrier that our girls rarely bothered with sweets. They’ve never been a big deal to them, but I know a lot of parents have huge problems with sweets ‘stealing’ and sometimes when other kids come round we find out afterwards all our sweets have been cleaned out.
- v-erne 4y agoUnfortunately all children are not created equals and some will crave sugar som much that Your method would fail miserably. I see this in children of my neighbours. Mine are almost same as Yours (especially older one) - they like sweets, but often they will leave them laying around not touching them for days. But if You do this with children of my neighbours they will behave like little addicts and they are like this since when they were like 3. I think this works a bit like with drugs or somkes - some people just do not have addictive personality and it seems like they are born this way (maby its some chemistry in their brains working better or sth).
- simonh 4y agoThat's quite possible, I really don't know, but kids learn a huge amount by the time they're 3. They'll cue off adult behaviour, and you can very easily accidentally teach them really bad behavioural habits very early on. If the adults exhibit addictive behaviour or magnify the significance of indulgent behaviour then kids will start learning that from day 1. So sure individual biochemistry can make a big difference, but a child's basic personality is largely established by age 4. Those early years make a huge difference.
- Dylan16807 4y ago