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I am simply amazed by how much money this company makes. Nice boost to Mac business with the new Macbook Pros selling like hotcakes and OOS constantly.

by lvl102 4y ago

zitterbewegung 4y ago
They are worth it. Nearly every complaint was addressed in the new MacBooks Pros and I feel like its a return to form for the company. The only downsides I can really see is that Wifi on the laptop should have been 6E and the SD Card should have been SD Express but it seems like it was that way due to the length it took being engineered (which isn't an excuse).
- lvl102 4y ago
  My only gripe is the lack of USB-A to make it truly dongle free.
  - dontlaugh 4y ago
    Exactly. USB A would be far more useful than the SD card slot for almost everyone.
    - threeseed 4y ago
      MacBook Pro is not designed for everyone. Content creators rely on SD cards everyday and cameras actively sold today use it. Devices stopped being shipped with USB-A a long time ago now.
      - markstos 4y ago
        Photographers use SD Cards. Most Everyone uses keyboard, mice and plenty still have USB thumb drives.
        ghaff 4y ago
        The strongest argument for a built-in SD card slot is it can give you something like 1TB of cheap additional storage as well as serving as a backup when traveling. Probably not a super-common use case though. (Yes, photographers use SD cards although they often connect cameras directly and USB SD readers are cheap.)
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      - tentacleuno 4y ago
        > Devices stopped being shipped with USB-A a long time ago now. Are you talking about Macs or devices in general? My 2021 laptop has an SD card slot, x2 USB A and x2 USB C (well, Thunderbolt 4). Despite how much I like USB C (all the devices I take with me have it), USB A is still here and will be for quite a while. Oh, I forgot to mention that my laptop also has (full-sized!) HDMI and a headphone jack.
        spiderice 4y ago
        > Devices stopped being shipped with USB-A a long time ago now. I interpreted this to mean the male side. Sure you can still buy laptops that accept USB-A, but I haven't seen any peripheral that still uses USB-A in a long time. I'm sure you could still buy a thumb drive with USB-A, but I wouldn't.
        hollandheese 4y ago
        >I haven't seen any peripheral that still uses USB-A in a long time. Wired Mice, Wired Keyboards, Thumb drives, external hard drives, printers, webcams, external cd/dvd/bluray drives, etc.. What peripherals do you look at? Barely any of them use USB-C unless they're explicitly USB-C docks, or Thunderbolt peripherals.
        threeseed 4y ago
        Maybe you're just seeing older models. But every new device today is overwhelmingly shipping with USB-C.
        hollandheese 4y ago
        You've obviously never purchased anything from Logitech. Nor have you looked at external hard drives (not SSDs).
        tentacleuno 4y ago
        > Nor have you looked at external hard drives All of my caddies use that weird micro-USB plug that can do USB-3, which is cool. In theory it'd be easy to convert that to USB-C... just change the plug on the end, or just make both ends USB-C. I typically find those cables to not lock into the port very well.
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        I have a hard time believing that people use SD cards more frequently than they do USB-A. Sure, photographers probably get good use out of it, but developers, students, content creators who aren't shooting with DSLR, animators, musicians, 3D artists, regular artists and video editors will probably never touch it. There are plenty of fairly common USB-A peripherals still in use anyways. A lot of audio interfaces, mice, keyboards and webcams rely on low-bandwidth but ubiquitous ports like USB-A. Apple and their pride would never put one on a modern Mac, but we're really at an impasse: neither side will adopt either standard, so it's more likely that we'll simply see wireless peripherals gain popularity instead. Not exactly bad, but kinda an asinine take for a company that just released a professional desktop computer with USB-A, but refused to add it to their laptops.
        realityking 4y ago
        How many of those devices have fixed cables? I bought a few USB-C to Mini-USB/Micro-USB/Micro-USB3/USB-B/Lightning cables and replaced all the cables on my devices. Now if only my car had a USB-C plug…
        smoldesu 4y ago
        Mice, keyboards and webcams are typically non-negotiable. Audio interfaces are pretty regularly replaceable, but it certainly doesn't improve the compatibility quotient by leaving the ports off it.
    - zitterbewegung 4y ago
      I use my sd card slot for additional storage by buying this: https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-JetDrive-Expansion-MacBook-TS1TJDL330/dp/B09R4G9Z79?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-JetDrive-Expansion-MacBook-... I use it for noncritical data because the sd card is slow and it could fail. Mainly recent downloads or video files.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    Just buy a USB-C to USB-A adapter and leave it permanently attached. USB-A is a legacy connector and needs to just die already.
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      Like just constantly have a dongle hanging off the side of your laptop, waiting to get bent? Possibly damaging to port?
      - chrischen 4y ago
        Then don't get the dongle. Just upgrade your accessory to use USB type C. Having a bulky USB A port just to appease the 1% of users who spend $2000 on a shiny new macbook but cheap out on a mouse they've been using from the 90s? I exaggerate, but if you really want to keep your old accessories then leave the dongle permanently attached to the accessory. You can get like a 10 pack for like $5 probably.
        bee_rider 4y ago
        It isn't really a matter of cost, so much as the inconvenience of replacing all the peripherals I've accumulated over time (ignoring the fact that there isn't even a USB-C version of my favorite keyboard). Yes adapters are possible, however an even better solution (in that it doesn't require remembering to bring an adapter everywhere) is just to buy a different brand of laptop.
        macintux 4y ago
        How many peripherals do you take with you when you leave the house? I've found a single, compact USB-C hub does fine for me, but of course YMMV.
        bee_rider 4y ago
        I mean it is unusual situations. And, I like my USB-C ports! But it isn't a mutually exclusive thing. For example, I work at a university, in an office. If my laptop lacked the normal USB port, I'd probably have an adapter or hub in my backpack or at my desk. But if I'm in a rush to a meeting, I might just grab my laptop and not my backpack. So, if somebody needs to share a file using a bog standard USB drive, I'm out of luck. I'm capable of adapting around this and it isn't a huge hassle really, but... my current laptop is cheaper than a... any Macbook, I think, and thinner than a Macbook pro, and still ASUS managed to fit in a USB-A (and even a legacy HDMI!) port. I dunno. It is ASUS, I don't think they've got any wild engineering talent that would blow Apple's mind... it just doesn't seem very hard.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    I'd need a hub in my office anyway. But when traveling it would be nice to have a USB-A so that I could mostly get by without plugging in a hub or at least a dongle.
  - toraway1234 4y ago
- karmakaze 4y ago
  It's actually better than "return to form", for once Apple has embraced 'form follows function' with more ports (even 'legacy' HDMI), magsafe power, and a chunky body, rather than function fit into form.
gordon_freeman 4y ago
I agree they are selling MBPs like hotcakes. M1 Max MBPs are no where to find and have been in backlog for months now.
- wiredfool 4y ago
  Airs and 14" MBPs are 5-7 weeks out in Ireland. I've never seen delivery times like this since the bad old days when their supply chain sucked and they were nearly dead.
  - lvl102 4y ago
    Much of it is demand side. People are replacing their Macbooks from 2013 and up. It’s saying a lot about Intel mobile chips as well as the new M1 chips that basically redefined how Macbooks can be used which is to say you don’t need to be near a power plug.
kylehotchkiss 4y ago
Any chance Apple will launch MacBooks with 5G chips? I'm hoping to get to a tether -free easy roaming setup in the next few years
tomatowurst 4y ago
am I alone in appreciating the touch bar? I just love being able to press debug, step over and into code, switch to a different window and be able to quickly access context aware functionality. Oh and its so damn quiet and fast, I'm loving the M1 processor downside are the two usb-c and the endless accessories that are quite expensive
- presentation 4y ago
  I had a touchbar mac since it came out and i probably touched the touchbar around 3 times
  - tdfx 4y ago
    I have it configured so that the touch bar just shows F keys at all times. It's a really technologically advanced row of F keys for me, only difference being this extra advancement has no tactile feedback.
  - tomatowurst 4y ago
    really? I use it all the time

I am simply amazed by how much money this company makes. Nice boost to Mac business with the new Macbook Pros selling like hotcakes and OOS constantly.

by lvl102 4y ago

I am simply amazed by how much money this company makes. Nice boost to Mac business with the new Macbook Pros selling like hotcakes and OOS constantly.

zitterbewegung 4y ago

They are worth it. Nearly every complaint was addressed in the new MacBooks Pros and I feel like its a return to form for the company. The only downsides I can really see is that Wifi on the laptop should have been 6E and the SD Card should have been SD Express but it seems like it was that way due to the length it took being engineered (which isn't an excuse).

lvl102 4y ago
My only gripe is the lack of USB-A to make it truly dongle free.
- dontlaugh 4y ago
  Exactly. USB A would be far more useful than the SD card slot for almost everyone.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    MacBook Pro is not designed for everyone. Content creators rely on SD cards everyday and cameras actively sold today use it. Devices stopped being shipped with USB-A a long time ago now.
    - markstos 4y ago
      Photographers use SD Cards. Most Everyone uses keyboard, mice and plenty still have USB thumb drives.
      - ghaff 4y ago
        The strongest argument for a built-in SD card slot is it can give you something like 1TB of cheap additional storage as well as serving as a backup when traveling. Probably not a super-common use case though. (Yes, photographers use SD cards although they often connect cameras directly and USB SD readers are cheap.)
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    - tentacleuno 4y ago
      > Devices stopped being shipped with USB-A a long time ago now. Are you talking about Macs or devices in general? My 2021 laptop has an SD card slot, x2 USB A and x2 USB C (well, Thunderbolt 4). Despite how much I like USB C (all the devices I take with me have it), USB A is still here and will be for quite a while. Oh, I forgot to mention that my laptop also has (full-sized!) HDMI and a headphone jack.
      - spiderice 4y ago
        > Devices stopped being shipped with USB-A a long time ago now. I interpreted this to mean the male side. Sure you can still buy laptops that accept USB-A, but I haven't seen any peripheral that still uses USB-A in a long time. I'm sure you could still buy a thumb drive with USB-A, but I wouldn't.
        hollandheese 4y ago
        >I haven't seen any peripheral that still uses USB-A in a long time. Wired Mice, Wired Keyboards, Thumb drives, external hard drives, printers, webcams, external cd/dvd/bluray drives, etc.. What peripherals do you look at? Barely any of them use USB-C unless they're explicitly USB-C docks, or Thunderbolt peripherals.
        threeseed 4y ago
        Maybe you're just seeing older models. But every new device today is overwhelmingly shipping with USB-C.
        hollandheese 4y ago
        You've obviously never purchased anything from Logitech. Nor have you looked at external hard drives (not SSDs).
        tentacleuno 4y ago
        > Nor have you looked at external hard drives All of my caddies use that weird micro-USB plug that can do USB-3, which is cool. In theory it'd be easy to convert that to USB-C... just change the plug on the end, or just make both ends USB-C. I typically find those cables to not lock into the port very well.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      I have a hard time believing that people use SD cards more frequently than they do USB-A. Sure, photographers probably get good use out of it, but developers, students, content creators who aren't shooting with DSLR, animators, musicians, 3D artists, regular artists and video editors will probably never touch it. There are plenty of fairly common USB-A peripherals still in use anyways. A lot of audio interfaces, mice, keyboards and webcams rely on low-bandwidth but ubiquitous ports like USB-A. Apple and their pride would never put one on a modern Mac, but we're really at an impasse: neither side will adopt either standard, so it's more likely that we'll simply see wireless peripherals gain popularity instead. Not exactly bad, but kinda an asinine take for a company that just released a professional desktop computer with USB-A, but refused to add it to their laptops.
      - realityking 4y ago
        How many of those devices have fixed cables? I bought a few USB-C to Mini-USB/Micro-USB/Micro-USB3/USB-B/Lightning cables and replaced all the cables on my devices. Now if only my car had a USB-C plug…
        smoldesu 4y ago
        Mice, keyboards and webcams are typically non-negotiable. Audio interfaces are pretty regularly replaceable, but it certainly doesn't improve the compatibility quotient by leaving the ports off it.
  - zitterbewegung 4y ago
    I use my sd card slot for additional storage by buying this: https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-JetDrive-Expansion-MacBook-TS1TJDL330/dp/B09R4G9Z79?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-JetDrive-Expansion-MacBook-... I use it for noncritical data because the sd card is slow and it could fail. Mainly recent downloads or video files.
- threeseed 4y ago
  Just buy a USB-C to USB-A adapter and leave it permanently attached. USB-A is a legacy connector and needs to just die already.
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    Like just constantly have a dongle hanging off the side of your laptop, waiting to get bent? Possibly damaging to port?
    - chrischen 4y ago
      Then don't get the dongle. Just upgrade your accessory to use USB type C. Having a bulky USB A port just to appease the 1% of users who spend $2000 on a shiny new macbook but cheap out on a mouse they've been using from the 90s? I exaggerate, but if you really want to keep your old accessories then leave the dongle permanently attached to the accessory. You can get like a 10 pack for like $5 probably.
      - bee_rider 4y ago
        It isn't really a matter of cost, so much as the inconvenience of replacing all the peripherals I've accumulated over time (ignoring the fact that there isn't even a USB-C version of my favorite keyboard). Yes adapters are possible, however an even better solution (in that it doesn't require remembering to bring an adapter everywhere) is just to buy a different brand of laptop.
        macintux 4y ago
        How many peripherals do you take with you when you leave the house? I've found a single, compact USB-C hub does fine for me, but of course YMMV.
        bee_rider 4y ago
        I mean it is unusual situations. And, I like my USB-C ports! But it isn't a mutually exclusive thing. For example, I work at a university, in an office. If my laptop lacked the normal USB port, I'd probably have an adapter or hub in my backpack or at my desk. But if I'm in a rush to a meeting, I might just grab my laptop and not my backpack. So, if somebody needs to share a file using a bog standard USB drive, I'm out of luck. I'm capable of adapting around this and it isn't a huge hassle really, but... my current laptop is cheaper than a... any Macbook, I think, and thinner than a Macbook pro, and still ASUS managed to fit in a USB-A (and even a legacy HDMI!) port. I dunno. It is ASUS, I don't think they've got any wild engineering talent that would blow Apple's mind... it just doesn't seem very hard.
- ghaff 4y ago
  I'd need a hub in my office anyway. But when traveling it would be nice to have a USB-A so that I could mostly get by without plugging in a hub or at least a dongle.
- toraway1234 4y ago
karmakaze 4y ago
It's actually better than "return to form", for once Apple has embraced 'form follows function' with more ports (even 'legacy' HDMI), magsafe power, and a chunky body, rather than function fit into form.

gordon_freeman 4y ago

I agree they are selling MBPs like hotcakes. M1 Max MBPs are no where to find and have been in backlog for months now.

wiredfool 4y ago
Airs and 14" MBPs are 5-7 weeks out in Ireland. I've never seen delivery times like this since the bad old days when their supply chain sucked and they were nearly dead.
- lvl102 4y ago
  Much of it is demand side. People are replacing their Macbooks from 2013 and up. It’s saying a lot about Intel mobile chips as well as the new M1 chips that basically redefined how Macbooks can be used which is to say you don’t need to be near a power plug.

kylehotchkiss 4y ago

Any chance Apple will launch MacBooks with 5G chips? I'm hoping to get to a tether -free easy roaming setup in the next few years

tomatowurst 4y ago

am I alone in appreciating the touch bar? I just love being able to press debug, step over and into code, switch to a different window and be able to quickly access context aware functionality. Oh and its so damn quiet and fast, I'm loving the M1 processor downside are the two usb-c and the endless accessories that are quite expensive

presentation 4y ago
I had a touchbar mac since it came out and i probably touched the touchbar around 3 times
- tdfx 4y ago
  I have it configured so that the touch bar just shows F keys at all times. It's a really technologically advanced row of F keys for me, only difference being this extra advancement has no tactile feedback.
- tomatowurst 4y ago
  really? I use it all the time