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Without Action on Climate, Mass Extinction Event Will Likely Happen in Oceans

25 points by makerofspoons 4y ago

SubiculumCode 4y ago
Its imperative that we make the transition now, as soon as possible.
radford-neal 4y ago
"Penn and Deutsch looked at the consequences of several scenarios, from global warming remaining at the minimum expectation to high emission scenarios that would result in 32 degrees Fahrenheit of warming during the next three hundred years." 32 degrees Fahrenheit (17.8 degrees Celsius) is far beyond what the latest IPCC report considers likely. The AR6 report gives the likely Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (eventual temperature increase from doubling of CO2) as 2.5-4.0 C. The response to CO2 is roughly logarithmic, so the effect of each doubling is about the same. So 17.8 Celsius corresponds to between 4.5 and 7.1 doublings. Current CO2 levels are less than double pre-industrial levels, and it is very, very unlikely that we will ever get to 4.5 doublings.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
> Their research, published today in Science, warns that failing to reduce fossil fuel emissions will set Earth’s oceans on track for a mass extinction within the next 300 years. Within the next 300 years, we hopefully will be able to terraform Mars. We should also have technology to be able to suck carbon out of the atmosphere. We may also be at the point where we can build and deploy massive solar shields in space. Trying to predict catastrophe 300 years in the future is very naive.
- chiggsy 4y ago
  Terraform Mars? Space shields? Poppycock! How long to terraform a planet? Our first one? You don't think we'd retreat to virtual worlds instead? Or fight the fight we all want to fight, lose 80% of the population which would solve our problems just as well? What makes you think we can live on Mars anyway? I'm absolutely sure random microbes we carry can live on Mars, after a lil naked solar radiation, keep our population down, although we'll probably handle that ourselves. We don't even know how long we can travel in space outside of our interpenetrating biome, under the naked solar wind. Unless you mean the AI's which we might build?
kadoban 4y ago
Isn't one already happening, on land and in the oceans? I don't think we need to wait 300 years and for a bunch more warming, the future is already here.
- acdanger 4y ago
  Yes, it definitely is. The land I grew up on in rural Virginia where , 20 years ago, I could find several species of snakes , frogs, toads, birds etc within 20 feet of the front door is now a dead zone - except for the deer and occasional fox. It’s heartbreaking.

25 points by makerofspoons 4y ago

Its imperative that we make the transition now, as soon as possible.

"Penn and Deutsch looked at the consequences of several scenarios, from global warming remaining at the minimum expectation to high emission scenarios that would result in 32 degrees Fahrenheit of warming during the next three hundred years." 32 degrees Fahrenheit (17.8 degrees Celsius) is far beyond what the latest IPCC report considers likely. The AR6 report gives the likely Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (eventual temperature increase from doubling of CO2) as 2.5-4.0 C. The response to CO2 is roughly logarithmic, so the effect of each doubling is about the same. So 17.8 Celsius corresponds to between 4.5 and 7.1 doublings. Current CO2 levels are less than double pre-industrial levels, and it is very, very unlikely that we will ever get to 4.5 doublings.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago

> Their research, published today in Science, warns that failing to reduce fossil fuel emissions will set Earth’s oceans on track for a mass extinction within the next 300 years. Within the next 300 years, we hopefully will be able to terraform Mars. We should also have technology to be able to suck carbon out of the atmosphere. We may also be at the point where we can build and deploy massive solar shields in space. Trying to predict catastrophe 300 years in the future is very naive.

chiggsy 4y ago
Terraform Mars? Space shields? Poppycock! How long to terraform a planet? Our first one? You don't think we'd retreat to virtual worlds instead? Or fight the fight we all want to fight, lose 80% of the population which would solve our problems just as well? What makes you think we can live on Mars anyway? I'm absolutely sure random microbes we carry can live on Mars, after a lil naked solar radiation, keep our population down, although we'll probably handle that ourselves. We don't even know how long we can travel in space outside of our interpenetrating biome, under the naked solar wind. Unless you mean the AI's which we might build?

kadoban 4y ago

Isn't one already happening, on land and in the oceans? I don't think we need to wait 300 years and for a bunch more warming, the future is already here.

acdanger 4y ago
Yes, it definitely is. The land I grew up on in rural Virginia where , 20 years ago, I could find several species of snakes , frogs, toads, birds etc within 20 feet of the front door is now a dead zone - except for the deer and occasional fox. It’s heartbreaking.