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It does seem strange but, even including the 737 MAX disaster, air travel is safer today than it ever was. Since the 1960s, miles traveled increased tenfold whi

It does seem strange but, even including the 737 MAX disaster, air travel is safer today than it ever was. Since the 1960s, miles traveled increased tenfold while deaths (in absolute numbers) dropped by 90 %, for a combined 100-fold increase in safety.

paulryanrogers 4y ago
No thanks to the MBAs flying people into the ground to pay for their yachts. Consider the record of the 737 MAX alone and up to the point where it was grounded worldwide. I bet that's not a great ratio of fight hours to lives lost compared to Boeing pre-merger.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 4y ago
  Yes, these unscientific MBAs that will just ignore data if it doesn't fit their opinions. FWIW the only person charged with criminal offenses in the 737 max is the chief test pilot, Mark Forkner[0]. Guess how many business degrees the guy has? 0: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/business/boeing-737-pilot.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/business/boeing-737-pilot...
nopzor 4y ago
you’re spot on with how safe commercial air travel is today. it’s actually insane when you think about it. but the reason its so safe is because there are so many redundancies built into so many different layers of the system. once rot starts to happen, it’ll take the better part of several years or a decade for a wave of elevated fatalities to manifest themselves in these stats.
rocqua 4y ago
If engineering standards had dropped 5 years ago, that would not really be reflected in the current numbers yet. A commonly heard thesis is that this track record of safety has been used as an excuse for reducing engineering standards. I don't think the historical track record of safety can be used to disprove that thesis.
- fransje26 4y ago
  Honestly, the engineering standards dropped much longer ago than 5 years ago.. The Dreamliner probably shouldn't have been certified in it's current state, to start with. Among other reasons, because of li-ion batteries and all..

paulryanrogers 4y ago

No thanks to the MBAs flying people into the ground to pay for their yachts. Consider the record of the 737 MAX alone and up to the point where it was grounded worldwide. I bet that's not a great ratio of fight hours to lives lost compared to Boeing pre-merger.

IfOnlyYouKnew 4y ago
Yes, these unscientific MBAs that will just ignore data if it doesn't fit their opinions. FWIW the only person charged with criminal offenses in the 737 max is the chief test pilot, Mark Forkner[0]. Guess how many business degrees the guy has? 0: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/business/boeing-737-pilot.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/business/boeing-737-pilot...

nopzor 4y ago

you’re spot on with how safe commercial air travel is today. it’s actually insane when you think about it. but the reason its so safe is because there are so many redundancies built into so many different layers of the system. once rot starts to happen, it’ll take the better part of several years or a decade for a wave of elevated fatalities to manifest themselves in these stats.

rocqua 4y ago

If engineering standards had dropped 5 years ago, that would not really be reflected in the current numbers yet. A commonly heard thesis is that this track record of safety has been used as an excuse for reducing engineering standards. I don't think the historical track record of safety can be used to disprove that thesis.

fransje26 4y ago
Honestly, the engineering standards dropped much longer ago than 5 years ago.. The Dreamliner probably shouldn't have been certified in it's current state, to start with. Among other reasons, because of li-ion batteries and all..