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Nobody who is anxious about a first contact with someone new will rely on email alone, anti-spam has made sure of that for 25+ years. You just can't measure wh

Nobody who is anxious about a first contact with someone new will rely on email alone, anti-spam has made sure of that for 25+ years. You just can't measure whether someone _saw_ your email, which is all that matters to email users. Users do complain about unexpected bounce messages (often it's an address typo). And I am pretty sure that people who use gmail & hotmail are used to "checking their spam folder" and fixing deliverability problems for new senders that way. I've been pretty slapdash about this, including selling 1000s of mail servers and (apart from the adoption of SPF, DKIM, DMARC) it's all the same as it was 20 years ago. So I've no problem advising technically-inclined people to give it a go gradually.

baobabKoodaa 4y ago
> You just can't measure whether someone _saw_ your email, which is all that matters to email users. You can still measure deliverability with different methods. I've used GlockApps to send test emails to a variety of different inboxes at different providers and it tells me what percent of those emails hit the inbox, what percent went to spam folder, and what percent disappeared.
- mattbee 4y ago
  Yes! That site is great as a spot check, I've used it. But imo if gmx.de are silently binning my messages (and nobody else) it's their problem. If it's Gmail, it's my problem :)
- denton-scratch 4y ago
  Watever GlockApps is, there's no way it can tell whether my local rules moved a message to my spam folder. It also can't tell whether my mailserver moved it to spam using my Sieve filters. Therefore it also can't tell whether the email appeared in my Inbox. I'm not sure what "disappeared" means in this context; perhaps that's the same as "dropped on the floor". The whole reason why dropping email on the floor is A Bad Thing is that doing that makes it impossible to tell whether the message has been delivered at all. [Edit] Ah, I see. GlockApps can only tell you about the destiny of your outgoing email if the destination was one of a handful of big freemail providers; and I imagine you'd have to provide GlockApps with credentials to the recipient accounts, so that it can see if the mail ended up in Inbox or Spam. You could do that with a few lines of Bash script.

baobabKoodaa 4y ago

> You just can't measure whether someone _saw_ your email, which is all that matters to email users. You can still measure deliverability with different methods. I've used GlockApps to send test emails to a variety of different inboxes at different providers and it tells me what percent of those emails hit the inbox, what percent went to spam folder, and what percent disappeared.

mattbee 4y ago
Yes! That site is great as a spot check, I've used it. But imo if gmx.de are silently binning my messages (and nobody else) it's their problem. If it's Gmail, it's my problem :)
denton-scratch 4y ago
Watever GlockApps is, there's no way it can tell whether my local rules moved a message to my spam folder. It also can't tell whether my mailserver moved it to spam using my Sieve filters. Therefore it also can't tell whether the email appeared in my Inbox. I'm not sure what "disappeared" means in this context; perhaps that's the same as "dropped on the floor". The whole reason why dropping email on the floor is A Bad Thing is that doing that makes it impossible to tell whether the message has been delivered at all. [Edit] Ah, I see. GlockApps can only tell you about the destiny of your outgoing email if the destination was one of a handful of big freemail providers; and I imagine you'd have to provide GlockApps with credentials to the recipient accounts, so that it can see if the mail ended up in Inbox or Spam. You could do that with a few lines of Bash script.