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From a Canadian stand point you American nurses are already highly paid. My brother works in the US and was recently thinking of coming back to work closer to w

by 14 4y ago

From a Canadian stand point you American nurses are already highly paid. My brother works in the US and was recently thinking of coming back to work closer to where he grew up. The best deal he could get here was $20usd less then what he makes there. So on top of making $20 more then a nurse here he is also making it in USD. He is making huge amounts of cash as a nurse down there. How much more do nurses need?

callmeal 4y ago
>How much more do nurses need? Something something freemarket no longer applies when it comes to paying peons?
- sophacles 4y ago
  > Something something freemarket no longer applies when it comes to paying peons? It never did.
- conductr 4y ago
  The nursing labor market is so fluid, so much turnover, it operates much more like a commodity exchange where prices are concerned. This doesn't apply to people to refuse to change employers so incentivizes short term rate chasing
Melatonic 4y ago
Apparently quite a bit if 90% hate their jobs
- freeflight 4y ago
  Nursing, just like many other social oriented professions, attract a lot of people for the right reasons, like wanting to help other people, yet too often that well-meaning motivation is then exploited to the maximum by overworking and underpaying these people. They will bear a lot of that, because these people care for their patients and leaving a job because of bad circumstances also means leaving their patients behind with those bad circumstances. Which is not something that comes easy to everybody who makes "helping others" such a big part of their work motivation.
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    It's the game developer of health care. People get into it because they love it, and then have their love exploited for profit by businesses masquerading as social charities. Some hospitals and clinics do great philanthropic work. There are also a lot that don't, but have the same cross over their door.
soared 4y ago
Without starting values and locations (COL) you can’t compare values in this way.
- tenpies 4y ago
  Canada is generally more expensive and taxes more (especially when you factor in sales taxes and such). To be honest, I am amazed that Canada has a healthcare system left. Decades of mismanagement and underinvestment aside, almost any Canadian healthcare worker can cross the border and instantly see a substantial pay bump and increase in QoL. I do imagine within the next 20 years, Canadian healthcare is going to look vastly different. Like something from an emerging market, where sure there is universal healthcare, but you generally avoid it if you have the means.
  - GoodJokes 4y ago
  - TMWNN 4y ago
    >Like something from an emerging market, where sure there is universal healthcare, but you generally avoid it if you have the means. Already happened. It's impossible to get a primary care physician in the Maritime provinces and in BC.
cogman10 4y ago
> How much more do nurses need? What you need to realize is that nursing salaries in the US are NOT uniform. From what I've seen in past discussions about it is they range anywhere from $20/hr -> $100k/year. The $100k/year are usually achieved only in cities and generally only by travel nurses. The majority of nurses, that I've seen, are clocking in at 50->60k yearly salary. Sort of like saying "Oh, that google dev makes $300k a year. How much more do devs in the US need?"
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- 14 4y ago
  He was an icu nurse not a travelling nurse and not in a big city. Washington state I forget the city but it wasn’t a big city like Seattle.
- redwall_hp 4y ago
  > Sort of like saying "Oh, that google dev makes $300k a year. How much more do devs in the US need?" And the answer to that is "how much is Google worth?" If your business relies on the efforts of software engineers to design and build your primary products, they should have the primary equity in the company. So no, even Google developers aren't paid nearly enough...and they're certainly overworked, regardless of how much they make.
  - IMTDb 4y ago
    > relies on the efforts of software engineers to design and build your primary products, they should have the primary equity in the company. The average tenure at Google is 4 years. This means that most current Google's have joined when the company was already at sky high valuation. They made incremental improvements to the product line. But arguing that they should own the majority of the shares is just ridiculous. Think about it: if google had made no new development in the last 4 years, how much would it still be worth ? The answer is: not as much as today, but probably quite a lot. Current employees thus deserve a part of the pie, as they are the one tending for it. But when they joined the pie was already very nice, and they had 0 impact on that. Not with their work nor their investment, so they can't claim that part for themselves.
bratwurst3000 4y ago
here in germany nurses make 15€ And in switzerland nearly the double. I can understand their frustration and those who can leave or get new jobs.
- munk-a 4y ago
  In Germany's defense, at least, Switzerland has some of the most insane wages in the world, and the cost of living there is equally high.
  - bratwurst3000 4y ago
    A friend of mine is working in bern and his salaray is 7400 franken. Minus taxes that are nothing (10% or so) and health care ( insane 120 franken.. i pay 600€ in germany) there is much left. Apartments are around 1000-2000, food etc is another 1000… blablabla point is he can safe much more money per month than more german workers make after taxes.
- MomoXenosaga 4y ago
  They are looking into getting nurses from the Philippines and Africa. Works for the UK maybe but there's a huge language barrier for the rest of Europe. Besides they need their health workers too.
- cogman10 4y ago
  Something that should always be considered is US healthcare is an expensive nightmare. Public healthcare is a HUGE benefit that I think a lot of outside of US people underestimate. (And no, nurses don't get free healthcare from their hospitals. They have the same terrible insurance everyone else gets). For example, I have to pay $9000 a year BEFORE my insurance starts covering healthcare costs. (at $5000 my insurance starts paying out and I owe 10% of the bill). My insurance does not cover medicine costs at all.
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psychlops 4y ago
They use the extra money here to pay for healthcare.
gruez 4y ago
>you American nurses are already highly paid. [...] How much more do nurses need? This seems perfectly consistent with econ101. Prices for something is high, so we need more supply.

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callmeal 4y ago

>How much more do nurses need? Something something freemarket no longer applies when it comes to paying peons?

sophacles 4y ago
> Something something freemarket no longer applies when it comes to paying peons? It never did.
conductr 4y ago
The nursing labor market is so fluid, so much turnover, it operates much more like a commodity exchange where prices are concerned. This doesn't apply to people to refuse to change employers so incentivizes short term rate chasing

Melatonic 4y ago

Apparently quite a bit if 90% hate their jobs

freeflight 4y ago
Nursing, just like many other social oriented professions, attract a lot of people for the right reasons, like wanting to help other people, yet too often that well-meaning motivation is then exploited to the maximum by overworking and underpaying these people. They will bear a lot of that, because these people care for their patients and leaving a job because of bad circumstances also means leaving their patients behind with those bad circumstances. Which is not something that comes easy to everybody who makes "helping others" such a big part of their work motivation.
- ethbr0 4y ago
  It's the game developer of health care. People get into it because they love it, and then have their love exploited for profit by businesses masquerading as social charities. Some hospitals and clinics do great philanthropic work. There are also a lot that don't, but have the same cross over their door.

soared 4y ago

Without starting values and locations (COL) you can’t compare values in this way.

tenpies 4y ago
Canada is generally more expensive and taxes more (especially when you factor in sales taxes and such). To be honest, I am amazed that Canada has a healthcare system left. Decades of mismanagement and underinvestment aside, almost any Canadian healthcare worker can cross the border and instantly see a substantial pay bump and increase in QoL. I do imagine within the next 20 years, Canadian healthcare is going to look vastly different. Like something from an emerging market, where sure there is universal healthcare, but you generally avoid it if you have the means.
- GoodJokes 4y ago
- TMWNN 4y ago
  >Like something from an emerging market, where sure there is universal healthcare, but you generally avoid it if you have the means. Already happened. It's impossible to get a primary care physician in the Maritime provinces and in BC.

cogman10 4y ago

> How much more do nurses need? What you need to realize is that nursing salaries in the US are NOT uniform. From what I've seen in past discussions about it is they range anywhere from $20/hr -> $100k/year. The $100k/year are usually achieved only in cities and generally only by travel nurses. The majority of nurses, that I've seen, are clocking in at 50->60k yearly salary. Sort of like saying "Oh, that google dev makes $300k a year. How much more do devs in the US need?"

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14 4y ago
He was an icu nurse not a travelling nurse and not in a big city. Washington state I forget the city but it wasn’t a big city like Seattle.
redwall_hp 4y ago
> Sort of like saying "Oh, that google dev makes $300k a year. How much more do devs in the US need?" And the answer to that is "how much is Google worth?" If your business relies on the efforts of software engineers to design and build your primary products, they should have the primary equity in the company. So no, even Google developers aren't paid nearly enough...and they're certainly overworked, regardless of how much they make.
- IMTDb 4y ago
  > relies on the efforts of software engineers to design and build your primary products, they should have the primary equity in the company. The average tenure at Google is 4 years. This means that most current Google's have joined when the company was already at sky high valuation. They made incremental improvements to the product line. But arguing that they should own the majority of the shares is just ridiculous. Think about it: if google had made no new development in the last 4 years, how much would it still be worth ? The answer is: not as much as today, but probably quite a lot. Current employees thus deserve a part of the pie, as they are the one tending for it. But when they joined the pie was already very nice, and they had 0 impact on that. Not with their work nor their investment, so they can't claim that part for themselves.

bratwurst3000 4y ago

here in germany nurses make 15€ And in switzerland nearly the double. I can understand their frustration and those who can leave or get new jobs.

munk-a 4y ago
In Germany's defense, at least, Switzerland has some of the most insane wages in the world, and the cost of living there is equally high.
- bratwurst3000 4y ago
  A friend of mine is working in bern and his salaray is 7400 franken. Minus taxes that are nothing (10% or so) and health care ( insane 120 franken.. i pay 600€ in germany) there is much left. Apartments are around 1000-2000, food etc is another 1000… blablabla point is he can safe much more money per month than more german workers make after taxes.
MomoXenosaga 4y ago
They are looking into getting nurses from the Philippines and Africa. Works for the UK maybe but there's a huge language barrier for the rest of Europe. Besides they need their health workers too.
cogman10 4y ago
Something that should always be considered is US healthcare is an expensive nightmare. Public healthcare is a HUGE benefit that I think a lot of outside of US people underestimate. (And no, nurses don't get free healthcare from their hospitals. They have the same terrible insurance everyone else gets). For example, I have to pay $9000 a year BEFORE my insurance starts covering healthcare costs. (at $5000 my insurance starts paying out and I owe 10% of the bill). My insurance does not cover medicine costs at all.
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psychlops 4y ago

They use the extra money here to pay for healthcare.

gruez 4y ago

>you American nurses are already highly paid. [...] How much more do nurses need? This seems perfectly consistent with econ101. Prices for something is high, so we need more supply.