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> The whole selling point of Apple is that "it just works" It does (generally) just work! However, it works they way they want you to use it. That's fine for

> The whole selling point of Apple is that "it just works" It does (generally) just work! However, it works they way they want you to use it. That's fine for me and I usually am happy to adapt. It doesn't mean infinitely configurable.

caycep 4y ago
it sort of reminds me of an interview someone did w/ a farmer's market vendor of gourmet jams/jellies....when they had a spread of 29-30 jams, no one bought any because it was too intimidating/confusion/bred indecision or whatever They changed their lineup to 6 jams and sales went thru the roofff
- dahfizz 4y ago
  Okay, except this is nothing like that. Computer programs can have defaults. When you don't like the default, you go to the settings screen to change it. If you don't want to deal with settings, you never have to open up the screen. But the scroll settings is much more annoying than that. Apple provides two completely independent settings for "Mouse" and "Trackpad". Under each, there is a toggle for scroll direction. If you toggle one, it magically and silently toggles the other as well. That's not "simple", that's not "easy to use", that's 100% bad UX. If there's only one global setting, why present it as two independent options which are magically linked?
  - lwkl 4y ago
    Maybe they should present it as one setting. But linking it makes sense for the vast majority of users. Because if it wasn’t you would see a flood of people asking why their mouse or trackpad is scrolling in the wring direction. I‘m more and more convinced that the Apple way is the right way for the vast majority of users and deeper customization should only be available through the CLI or extensions.
  - dwighttk 4y ago
    > Okay, except this is nothing like that. And yet… desktop Linux isn’t widely popular.
    - fsflover 4y ago
      Probably because it's hard to come to a store and buy one.
      - dwighttk 4y ago
        Linux is “selling” a billion “jars of jam”, a different one for each person… Apple is “selling” like 6.
        fsflover 4y ago
        Why is this relevant? You probably know that Ubuntu is the most popular one. It should be enough to only offer this one.
        dwighttk 4y ago
        Ubuntu’s customizability (valued by the article’s author) is Linux offering a billion jars of jam.
        fsflover 4y ago
        Default settings still exist and can be delivered just fine.
        dwighttk 4y ago
        Original comment was “this is nothing like that” I’m pointing out how this is like that.
  - a4isms 4y ago
    > Okay, except this is nothing like that. Computer programs can have defaults. When you don't like the default, you go to the settings screen to change it. If you don't want to deal with settings, you never have to open up the screen. This is possible, but never as easy as it sounds when written down like that. Even when advanced settings are tucked away out of sight from regular users, at the kind of scale OS X or iOS operates in (or Linux, for that matter), there will be a non-negligible number of people who by accident or intent fool around with the advanced settings and get themselves into a state from which they lack the expertise to extricate themselves. This is why Apple layer their own UX on top of Bluetooth, for example. And why many settings have no UX, you have to know the magic incantation to use in Terminal. Again, I don't disagree, I'm just pointing out that "Making a boat for passengers AND for sailors" is a hard problem.
  - caycep 4y ago
    versus ubuntu where the kernel may be fine, but it's certainly nontrivial to bork some random config file or the nvidia/xwin/wayland configuration setup or some other part of the app layer on top of it, and rather than spend the next few hours trying to google whatever arcane setting it is, I've just thrown up my arms and wiped the drive and reinstalled the OS from scratch... Don't get me wrong, I run ubuntu on a home fileserver/nas box but when I need it for some scientific computing package or something, the best way to run it is on top of Mac OS in a VM....

caycep 4y ago

it sort of reminds me of an interview someone did w/ a farmer's market vendor of gourmet jams/jellies....when they had a spread of 29-30 jams, no one bought any because it was too intimidating/confusion/bred indecision or whatever They changed their lineup to 6 jams and sales went thru the roofff

dahfizz 4y ago
Okay, except this is nothing like that. Computer programs can have defaults. When you don't like the default, you go to the settings screen to change it. If you don't want to deal with settings, you never have to open up the screen. But the scroll settings is much more annoying than that. Apple provides two completely independent settings for "Mouse" and "Trackpad". Under each, there is a toggle for scroll direction. If you toggle one, it magically and silently toggles the other as well. That's not "simple", that's not "easy to use", that's 100% bad UX. If there's only one global setting, why present it as two independent options which are magically linked?
- lwkl 4y ago
  Maybe they should present it as one setting. But linking it makes sense for the vast majority of users. Because if it wasn’t you would see a flood of people asking why their mouse or trackpad is scrolling in the wring direction. I‘m more and more convinced that the Apple way is the right way for the vast majority of users and deeper customization should only be available through the CLI or extensions.
- dwighttk 4y ago
  > Okay, except this is nothing like that. And yet… desktop Linux isn’t widely popular.
  - fsflover 4y ago
    Probably because it's hard to come to a store and buy one.
    - dwighttk 4y ago
      Linux is “selling” a billion “jars of jam”, a different one for each person… Apple is “selling” like 6.
      - fsflover 4y ago
        Why is this relevant? You probably know that Ubuntu is the most popular one. It should be enough to only offer this one.
        dwighttk 4y ago
        Ubuntu’s customizability (valued by the article’s author) is Linux offering a billion jars of jam.
        fsflover 4y ago
        Default settings still exist and can be delivered just fine.
        dwighttk 4y ago
        Original comment was “this is nothing like that” I’m pointing out how this is like that.
- a4isms 4y ago
  > Okay, except this is nothing like that. Computer programs can have defaults. When you don't like the default, you go to the settings screen to change it. If you don't want to deal with settings, you never have to open up the screen. This is possible, but never as easy as it sounds when written down like that. Even when advanced settings are tucked away out of sight from regular users, at the kind of scale OS X or iOS operates in (or Linux, for that matter), there will be a non-negligible number of people who by accident or intent fool around with the advanced settings and get themselves into a state from which they lack the expertise to extricate themselves. This is why Apple layer their own UX on top of Bluetooth, for example. And why many settings have no UX, you have to know the magic incantation to use in Terminal. Again, I don't disagree, I'm just pointing out that "Making a boat for passengers AND for sailors" is a hard problem.
- caycep 4y ago
  versus ubuntu where the kernel may be fine, but it's certainly nontrivial to bork some random config file or the nvidia/xwin/wayland configuration setup or some other part of the app layer on top of it, and rather than spend the next few hours trying to google whatever arcane setting it is, I've just thrown up my arms and wiped the drive and reinstalled the OS from scratch... Don't get me wrong, I run ubuntu on a home fileserver/nas box but when I need it for some scientific computing package or something, the best way to run it is on top of Mac OS in a VM....