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> whipping boy A whipping boy is innocent. Russia is largely not. > Remember when Russia was our "friend"? No.

by kadoban 5y ago

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
But what exactly does russia gain? will the germans say "oh no, they hacked us, better buy their gas now"?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > A hacker who manages to infect the industrial equipment that controls wind turbines could manipulate the machines’ brakes to stop power production, said Trond Solbert, managing director for cybersecurity at Norwegian risk-management company DNV GL. Do that to a couple thousand wind turbines and yes, "better buy their gas now". Even better if you do it the other direction - take the brakes off in a storm, and you get https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tqjuvy7i0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tqjuvy7i0. There's a lot of interest in this sort of thing. https://www.wired.com/story/how-30-lines-of-code-blew-up-27-ton-generator/ https://www.wired.com/story/how-30-lines-of-code-blew-up-27-...
  - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
    Yeah... not buying it. If russia did that, it would make them even less likely to buy russian gas again... they'd probably just buy overly expensive electricity from neighboring countries and fix their wind production.
    - kadoban 5y ago
      > even less likely to buy russian gas again They're _currently_ buying Russian gas.
    - EdwardDiego 5y ago
      > If russia did that And they'd be able to prove that how?
- dylan604 5y ago
  If they can't generate power from renewables and the only option left is Russian gas, then it is likely.
  - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
    I'm not buying it, sorry... The worst thing russia can do to get them to buy more gas, is to directly attack them. Do you really expect them to even talk to russia, if russia did that? Just the outrage (fueled by the media) would make people forgive the government the highly inflated prices of imported electricity, while they fixed the wind production. Russia literally has nothing to gain by doing this, and a lot to lose...
    - kadoban 5y ago
      They would not currently be buying a drop of gas if they had a realistic choice. They don't.
    - wiseowise 5y ago
      Do you seriously think Russians care whether Germany will buy their gas after they’ve started literal war at their footsteps?
- cardinalfang 5y ago
  There seems to be a correlation between the political demographic in Germany that hates wind turbines and the one that supports Putin. Maybe someone thinks creating more wind turbine haters will increase support for Russia.
dylan604 5y ago
Being guilty of a lot of things doesn't necessarily mean they are guilty of all the things. Are they guilty of all of things they are accussed, or just accepted as the culprit because they're the Russians? If I was wanting to attack US tech, I'd be sure to make it look Russian. I'm not Tucker Carlson trying to get you to think Russia isn't all bad, but I'm also saying that when it comes to hacking, there could be others involved.
- kadoban 5y ago
  They're not guaranteed to be at fault for any given attack. They're currently who I'd look at first for one like this though.

> whipping boy A whipping boy is innocent. Russia is largely not. > Remember when Russia was our "friend"? No.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago

But what exactly does russia gain? will the germans say "oh no, they hacked us, better buy their gas now"?

ceejayoz 5y ago
> A hacker who manages to infect the industrial equipment that controls wind turbines could manipulate the machines’ brakes to stop power production, said Trond Solbert, managing director for cybersecurity at Norwegian risk-management company DNV GL. Do that to a couple thousand wind turbines and yes, "better buy their gas now". Even better if you do it the other direction - take the brakes off in a storm, and you get https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tqjuvy7i0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tqjuvy7i0. There's a lot of interest in this sort of thing. https://www.wired.com/story/how-30-lines-of-code-blew-up-27-ton-generator/ https://www.wired.com/story/how-30-lines-of-code-blew-up-27-...
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Yeah... not buying it. If russia did that, it would make them even less likely to buy russian gas again... they'd probably just buy overly expensive electricity from neighboring countries and fix their wind production.
  - kadoban 5y ago
    > even less likely to buy russian gas again They're _currently_ buying Russian gas.
  - EdwardDiego 5y ago
    > If russia did that And they'd be able to prove that how?
dylan604 5y ago
If they can't generate power from renewables and the only option left is Russian gas, then it is likely.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  I'm not buying it, sorry... The worst thing russia can do to get them to buy more gas, is to directly attack them. Do you really expect them to even talk to russia, if russia did that? Just the outrage (fueled by the media) would make people forgive the government the highly inflated prices of imported electricity, while they fixed the wind production. Russia literally has nothing to gain by doing this, and a lot to lose...
  - kadoban 5y ago
    They would not currently be buying a drop of gas if they had a realistic choice. They don't.
  - wiseowise 5y ago
    Do you seriously think Russians care whether Germany will buy their gas after they’ve started literal war at their footsteps?
cardinalfang 5y ago
There seems to be a correlation between the political demographic in Germany that hates wind turbines and the one that supports Putin. Maybe someone thinks creating more wind turbine haters will increase support for Russia.

dylan604 5y ago

Being guilty of a lot of things doesn't necessarily mean they are guilty of all the things. Are they guilty of all of things they are accussed, or just accepted as the culprit because they're the Russians? If I was wanting to attack US tech, I'd be sure to make it look Russian. I'm not Tucker Carlson trying to get you to think Russia isn't all bad, but I'm also saying that when it comes to hacking, there could be others involved.

kadoban 5y ago
They're not guaranteed to be at fault for any given attack. They're currently who I'd look at first for one like this though.