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This is "current politics" 20 years ago, the blame would fall on "big oil", then it was north korea, now russia... ...and in reality, it might have been an an

This is "current politics" 20 years ago, the blame would fall on "big oil", then it was north korea, now russia... ...and in reality, it might have been an angry former employee who just happens to know all the default passwords set everywhere. Russia basically gains nothing by doing this, except even worse relations with the germans (it's not like the germans will say "oh, the russians hacked us, we better buy their gas now")

_kbh_ 5y ago
Russia gets to rattle their cyber sabre is what this lets them do. Why do they rattle their sabre? because it has been literally the only thing they are doing in response to this war. Since day one all Russia has done is sabre rattle about the war.
boringg 5y ago
Could be but super unlikely. Also could be an Alien but the probabilities are low on that possibility as well.
- pkdpic 5y ago
  A time traveller trying to save us from some unseen future disaster caused by wind energy seems at least as likely as aliens.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Now I'm trying to creatively imagine a disaster caused by wind energy? Near human extinction from all of the cancer the windmills create? World wild exitinction from birds from all of them being killed by the windmills? Near worldwide deafness in all humans from the humming they generate? I'm just running through all of the right wing consipriacies I've heard about. I'm not creative enough to come up with that nonsense.
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      Morbo the Annihilator has finally had enough of people building windmills to try to keep the Earth cool with big fans.
    - KMag 5y ago
      The California Condor is the key to ending the 2073 pandemic. Their extinction due to wind farms in 2065 is about to lead to extinction of the human race. They discover a time travel mechanism that only works for energy, not matter. They can't travel back in time and just grab some condors or open a time portal underneath an unsuspecting condor, since the portals don't work with matter. They open a time portal for radio waves and use a 5G modem to sabotage wind farms in 2022. It turns out that all of the hysteria against 5G was an attempt by a psychopathic dictator in the future to end humanity by taking down all of the 5G towers to prevent the sabotage of the wind farms.
      - bigDinosaur 5y ago
        Although you're joking, it's important to note that the angle of birds being killed by wind farms is a tactic used by people who want to see wind projects fail or not happen but want to dress this up in environmentalist sounding language. It's not that birds are never killed by wind turbines, it's that this is scrutiny only applied to wind turbines by the fake-environmentalists when they'll happily accept the environmental destruction of other methods of power generation. Close to heart because I know of a major wind project cancelled in my area due to the government commissioning an 'environmental review' which concluded the whole project had to be canned because it'd endanger a parrot. Meanwhile, the logging continued unabated...
        no-s 5y ago
        > It's not that birds are never killed by wind turbines, it's that this is scrutiny only applied to wind turbines by the fake-environmentalists when they'll happily accept the environmental destruction of other methods of power generation. Meanwhile the raptors are still shredded...
  - BLKNSLVR 5y ago
    Misspelt, but: https://adampage.bandcamp.com/track/preventing-a-future-disater https://adampage.bandcamp.com/track/preventing-a-future-disa...
pkaye 5y ago
A former worker of three companies?
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Or working at one scada company that built the system for all three. I'm just saying that it's convenient to just blame russia for everything without any proof.
  - FrenchDevRemote 5y ago
    They have a habit of doing it(for years/decades) and it would really help them if people couldn't rely on other sources of energy than what they're selling. So, who else?Who has a motive and the capabilities to do this?
    - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
      I mean.. what does russia gain? Even worse political relations? Germany will fix it system in a day or two, and then what? Does anyone actually expect them to ditch wind power and buy russian gas after russia hacking them? Realistically... by stirring the shit up in europe, the country that gains the most is.. well.. USA. Do something, blame russia, make EU economy worse, worsen the relations, make european countries stop production due to energy crisis, sell them american products, and if things get even worse, sell weapons, maybe even to both sides if things get desparate enough, watch europe destroyed again while their own economy gets a great boost.
      - geeB 5y ago
        The same could be said about the invasion in the first place though, after the worsening from 2014, even if they managed to pull off the initial plan. It seems more of a response/warning to the sending of weapons that has a tiny bit of teeth but not enough to escalate further.
      - deleted 5y ago
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dylan604 5y ago
To be fair, we blamed Russia before we blamed North Korea for a long time. Russia just fell out of favor as the whipping boy, but what was old is new again. Remember when Russia was our "friend"? With friends like these, who needs enemies?
- kadoban 5y ago
  > whipping boy A whipping boy is innocent. Russia is largely not. > Remember when Russia was our "friend"? No.
  - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
    But what exactly does russia gain? will the germans say "oh no, they hacked us, better buy their gas now"?
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      > A hacker who manages to infect the industrial equipment that controls wind turbines could manipulate the machines’ brakes to stop power production, said Trond Solbert, managing director for cybersecurity at Norwegian risk-management company DNV GL. Do that to a couple thousand wind turbines and yes, "better buy their gas now". Even better if you do it the other direction - take the brakes off in a storm, and you get https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tqjuvy7i0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tqjuvy7i0. There's a lot of interest in this sort of thing. https://www.wired.com/story/how-30-lines-of-code-blew-up-27-ton-generator/ https://www.wired.com/story/how-30-lines-of-code-blew-up-27-...
      - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
        Yeah... not buying it. If russia did that, it would make them even less likely to buy russian gas again... they'd probably just buy overly expensive electricity from neighboring countries and fix their wind production.
        5y ago
smt88 5y ago
Big Oil, North Korea (under the Kim regimes), and Russia (under Putin) are all bad actors with a history of near-total disregard for human life. I'm not sure you're making the point you think you're making.
sofixa 5y ago
> "oh, the russians hacked us, we better buy their gas now" Unless, as they know, the Russians know, and everybody knows, they don't have any choice in the matter. They can't replace Russian gas imports, and without them their economy would be severely crippled ( as argued by many unions, trade body representatives, etc.).

_kbh_ 5y ago

Russia gets to rattle their cyber sabre is what this lets them do. Why do they rattle their sabre? because it has been literally the only thing they are doing in response to this war. Since day one all Russia has done is sabre rattle about the war.

boringg 5y ago

Could be but super unlikely. Also could be an Alien but the probabilities are low on that possibility as well.

pkdpic 5y ago
A time traveller trying to save us from some unseen future disaster caused by wind energy seems at least as likely as aliens.
- dylan604 5y ago
  Now I'm trying to creatively imagine a disaster caused by wind energy? Near human extinction from all of the cancer the windmills create? World wild exitinction from birds from all of them being killed by the windmills? Near worldwide deafness in all humans from the humming they generate? I'm just running through all of the right wing consipriacies I've heard about. I'm not creative enough to come up with that nonsense.
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    Morbo the Annihilator has finally had enough of people building windmills to try to keep the Earth cool with big fans.
  - KMag 5y ago
    The California Condor is the key to ending the 2073 pandemic. Their extinction due to wind farms in 2065 is about to lead to extinction of the human race. They discover a time travel mechanism that only works for energy, not matter. They can't travel back in time and just grab some condors or open a time portal underneath an unsuspecting condor, since the portals don't work with matter. They open a time portal for radio waves and use a 5G modem to sabotage wind farms in 2022. It turns out that all of the hysteria against 5G was an attempt by a psychopathic dictator in the future to end humanity by taking down all of the 5G towers to prevent the sabotage of the wind farms.
    - bigDinosaur 5y ago
      Although you're joking, it's important to note that the angle of birds being killed by wind farms is a tactic used by people who want to see wind projects fail or not happen but want to dress this up in environmentalist sounding language. It's not that birds are never killed by wind turbines, it's that this is scrutiny only applied to wind turbines by the fake-environmentalists when they'll happily accept the environmental destruction of other methods of power generation. Close to heart because I know of a major wind project cancelled in my area due to the government commissioning an 'environmental review' which concluded the whole project had to be canned because it'd endanger a parrot. Meanwhile, the logging continued unabated...
      - no-s 5y ago
        > It's not that birds are never killed by wind turbines, it's that this is scrutiny only applied to wind turbines by the fake-environmentalists when they'll happily accept the environmental destruction of other methods of power generation. Meanwhile the raptors are still shredded...
- BLKNSLVR 5y ago
  Misspelt, but: https://adampage.bandcamp.com/track/preventing-a-future-disater https://adampage.bandcamp.com/track/preventing-a-future-disa...

pkaye 5y ago

A former worker of three companies?

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Or working at one scada company that built the system for all three. I'm just saying that it's convenient to just blame russia for everything without any proof.
- FrenchDevRemote 5y ago
  They have a habit of doing it(for years/decades) and it would really help them if people couldn't rely on other sources of energy than what they're selling. So, who else?Who has a motive and the capabilities to do this?
  - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
    I mean.. what does russia gain? Even worse political relations? Germany will fix it system in a day or two, and then what? Does anyone actually expect them to ditch wind power and buy russian gas after russia hacking them? Realistically... by stirring the shit up in europe, the country that gains the most is.. well.. USA. Do something, blame russia, make EU economy worse, worsen the relations, make european countries stop production due to energy crisis, sell them american products, and if things get even worse, sell weapons, maybe even to both sides if things get desparate enough, watch europe destroyed again while their own economy gets a great boost.
    - geeB 5y ago
      The same could be said about the invasion in the first place though, after the worsening from 2014, even if they managed to pull off the initial plan. It seems more of a response/warning to the sending of weapons that has a tiny bit of teeth but not enough to escalate further.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]

dylan604 5y ago

To be fair, we blamed Russia before we blamed North Korea for a long time. Russia just fell out of favor as the whipping boy, but what was old is new again. Remember when Russia was our "friend"? With friends like these, who needs enemies?

kadoban 5y ago
> whipping boy A whipping boy is innocent. Russia is largely not. > Remember when Russia was our "friend"? No.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  But what exactly does russia gain? will the germans say "oh no, they hacked us, better buy their gas now"?
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > A hacker who manages to infect the industrial equipment that controls wind turbines could manipulate the machines’ brakes to stop power production, said Trond Solbert, managing director for cybersecurity at Norwegian risk-management company DNV GL. Do that to a couple thousand wind turbines and yes, "better buy their gas now". Even better if you do it the other direction - take the brakes off in a storm, and you get https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tqjuvy7i0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tqjuvy7i0. There's a lot of interest in this sort of thing. https://www.wired.com/story/how-30-lines-of-code-blew-up-27-ton-generator/ https://www.wired.com/story/how-30-lines-of-code-blew-up-27-...
    - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
      Yeah... not buying it. If russia did that, it would make them even less likely to buy russian gas again... they'd probably just buy overly expensive electricity from neighboring countries and fix their wind production.
      - 5y ago

smt88 5y ago

Big Oil, North Korea (under the Kim regimes), and Russia (under Putin) are all bad actors with a history of near-total disregard for human life. I'm not sure you're making the point you think you're making.

sofixa 5y ago

> "oh, the russians hacked us, we better buy their gas now" Unless, as they know, the Russians know, and everybody knows, they don't have any choice in the matter. They can't replace Russian gas imports, and without them their economy would be severely crippled ( as argued by many unions, trade body representatives, etc.).