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It's confusing to me that it's socially acceptable these days to bully those who lack a sexual partner.

by e2le 4y ago

ratww 4y ago
Hm, wasn't that always acceptable and common? The only difference today is that there's a shorthand to mock those people.
- fartcannon 4y ago
  It's really gross. You can almost hear them spit when they say the word they've assigned this maligned group.
Applejinx 4y ago
Not that confusing, really. I've spent decades unable to find a sexual partner. I'd also make a concerted effort not to fall into the conclusions and habits of thought found in those getting bullied as 'incels', and in fact hooked up on Reddit of all places and am in the home of my lady friend now, working with her on various stuff and steadily building lovemaking skills (we're on the older side and there's a lot going on so opportunity isn't always there). I would lovingly and determinedly bully those who are so weak that they can't face the reality of bad conditions and their own inadequacies, those who show an emotional need to behave like they (just as they are) merit a sexual partner, and this not happening means women are evil scheming monsters who conspire to ruin the world and must be stopped and/or reduced to Gorean slavery for their own good as they're not really people. I'd bully those incels all day long. They are harming themselves by their own stubbornly held rationalizations and need to cut it out. Properly having a sexual relationship means having a relationship, very likely with an opposite-sex partner if we're talking hetero incels, and it's not easy. I'm with a woman who is observably smarter than me and I'm a techie nerd. There are things we have in common, but there are also ways that we just don't operate the same. There's strengths I have that she doesn't (not physical, either), there's strengths she has (and sometimes expects out of me) that I don't, and won't. The male/female thing is compelling and interesting, but it's impossible to reduce to 'we are actually the same' 'cos we ain't :) When you get anybody concluding 'therefore the enemy sex, being incomprehensible, is simply evil and must be destroyed rather than reasoned with', you gotta bully those people or they will ruin it for us all. They are being intellectually lazy and wrong, and causing damage and making it harder for everyone, and we can't afford that kind of wrong.
- imtringued 4y ago
  That sounds like a recipe for people becoming violent and agressive to avoid the stigma of being seen as weak. You know, like the taliban.
fzeroracer 4y ago
It's not, and you're conflating the term incel with people whom lack a sexual partner. Incel is a label that people apply to themselves that carries a whole lot of baggage, anger and a mixture of racism/sexism. People that lack a partner are not incels, but incels lack a partner. Please spend a few minutes looking up what an incel actually is and what it means.
dotnet00 4y ago
At least initially, when people used to make fun of incels, it was specifically in reference to "the government MUST find me a girlfriend" types, but it seems it's frequently 'genericized' to people who don't have a sexual partner, regardless of if they're even interested in it in the first place.
imtringued 4y ago
It's the modern "virgin" insult but worse because they are supposedly virgins who have been rejected by a lot of girls. They aren't virgins for a lack of trying.

It's confusing to me that it's socially acceptable these days to bully those who lack a sexual partner.

by e2le 4y ago

It's confusing to me that it's socially acceptable these days to bully those who lack a sexual partner.

Hm, wasn't that always acceptable and common? The only difference today is that there's a shorthand to mock those people.

fartcannon 4y ago
It's really gross. You can almost hear them spit when they say the word they've assigned this maligned group.

Applejinx 4y ago

Not that confusing, really. I've spent decades unable to find a sexual partner. I'd also make a concerted effort not to fall into the conclusions and habits of thought found in those getting bullied as 'incels', and in fact hooked up on Reddit of all places and am in the home of my lady friend now, working with her on various stuff and steadily building lovemaking skills (we're on the older side and there's a lot going on so opportunity isn't always there). I would lovingly and determinedly bully those who are so weak that they can't face the reality of bad conditions and their own inadequacies, those who show an emotional need to behave like they (just as they are) merit a sexual partner, and this not happening means women are evil scheming monsters who conspire to ruin the world and must be stopped and/or reduced to Gorean slavery for their own good as they're not really people. I'd bully those incels all day long. They are harming themselves by their own stubbornly held rationalizations and need to cut it out. Properly having a sexual relationship means having a relationship, very likely with an opposite-sex partner if we're talking hetero incels, and it's not easy. I'm with a woman who is observably smarter than me and I'm a techie nerd. There are things we have in common, but there are also ways that we just don't operate the same. There's strengths I have that she doesn't (not physical, either), there's strengths she has (and sometimes expects out of me) that I don't, and won't. The male/female thing is compelling and interesting, but it's impossible to reduce to 'we are actually the same' 'cos we ain't :) When you get anybody concluding 'therefore the enemy sex, being incomprehensible, is simply evil and must be destroyed rather than reasoned with', you gotta bully those people or they will ruin it for us all. They are being intellectually lazy and wrong, and causing damage and making it harder for everyone, and we can't afford that kind of wrong.

imtringued 4y ago
That sounds like a recipe for people becoming violent and agressive to avoid the stigma of being seen as weak. You know, like the taliban.

fzeroracer 4y ago

It's not, and you're conflating the term incel with people whom lack a sexual partner. Incel is a label that people apply to themselves that carries a whole lot of baggage, anger and a mixture of racism/sexism. People that lack a partner are not incels, but incels lack a partner. Please spend a few minutes looking up what an incel actually is and what it means.

dotnet00 4y ago

At least initially, when people used to make fun of incels, it was specifically in reference to "the government MUST find me a girlfriend" types, but it seems it's frequently 'genericized' to people who don't have a sexual partner, regardless of if they're even interested in it in the first place.

imtringued 4y ago

It's the modern "virgin" insult but worse because they are supposedly virgins who have been rejected by a lot of girls. They aren't virgins for a lack of trying.