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>Finally, there was a decent support of policies for the working class. Please provide actual policy examples. I don't mean like when he put on a hard hat and

>Finally, there was a decent support of policies for the working class. Please provide actual policy examples. I don't mean like when he put on a hard hat and pretended to dig coal with an imaginary shovel while on stage, I mean actual tangible policy proposals that would have improved the lives of working folks. Tariffs were very likely a net negative. Tax giveaways to build domestic factories almost never resulted in actual factories being built or jobs being created. I can't think of anything else.

xyzzyz 4y ago
Stopping mass illegal immigration that undercuts native workers, and pushes up living costs, especially housing.
- coryrc 4y ago
  There were fewer deportations per year under TFG than Obama. Not sure if you've checked what happened to living costs and housing during that administration, because they sure went up a lot.
  - xyzzyz 4y ago
    The parent was asking about “policy proposals”. I imagine lack of success of President Trump in implementing his proposals has made many of his voters unhappy. That said, if you don’t focus on deportations, but instead look at the entire picture, note that the total net illegal immigrant flow was significantly lower during President Trump than it was during President Obama, and has jumped through the roof as soon as President Biden took over.
    - coryrc 4y ago
      > I imagine lack of success of President Trump in implementing his proposals has made many of his voters unhappy Somehow that hasn't happened.
    - Workaccount2 4y ago
      For a couple years after trump was elected I worked with many illegals. Many of them were scared of trump and had family that was scared to come over because of him. It was more rumor than reality that kept numbers down, but none the less it was working.
octopoc 4y ago
Massively increasing the child tax credit.
dahfizz 4y ago
Reducing taxes is a pretty big one. Even the most editorialized and anti-Trump articles[1] admit that "the bill helped average families". These articles usually go on at length complaining that the tax cuts also help the rich. But this is the kind of thing that directly and immediately helps the middle / working class. Reducing their tax burden puts money back in their pocket. [1] https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2020/10/27/donald-trump-mostly-delivered-2016-campaign-pledge-cut-taxes/3685282001/ https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/20...
- imtringued 4y ago
  We should follow the singapore/hong kong model of higher property/land taxes and lower income taxes (keep them progressive). The government is supposed to manage the commons and it should be rewarded for doing a good job. Income taxes are frankly terrible. They increase the risk of corruption because they are "free for all". Increasing land value through public investments is often straight forward. Proper urban planning increases tax revenues, bad urban planning decreases tax revenues. Meanwhile with income taxes, the connection is way more elastic. If you fund a $8 trillion infrastructure bill with income taxes, nobody is going to care if the investment is actually worth it but a lot of politicians will be interested in adding "pork" to benefit from the money.

xyzzyz 4y ago

Stopping mass illegal immigration that undercuts native workers, and pushes up living costs, especially housing.

coryrc 4y ago
There were fewer deportations per year under TFG than Obama. Not sure if you've checked what happened to living costs and housing during that administration, because they sure went up a lot.
- xyzzyz 4y ago
  The parent was asking about “policy proposals”. I imagine lack of success of President Trump in implementing his proposals has made many of his voters unhappy. That said, if you don’t focus on deportations, but instead look at the entire picture, note that the total net illegal immigrant flow was significantly lower during President Trump than it was during President Obama, and has jumped through the roof as soon as President Biden took over.
  - coryrc 4y ago
    > I imagine lack of success of President Trump in implementing his proposals has made many of his voters unhappy Somehow that hasn't happened.
  - Workaccount2 4y ago
    For a couple years after trump was elected I worked with many illegals. Many of them were scared of trump and had family that was scared to come over because of him. It was more rumor than reality that kept numbers down, but none the less it was working.

octopoc 4y ago

Massively increasing the child tax credit.

dahfizz 4y ago

Reducing taxes is a pretty big one. Even the most editorialized and anti-Trump articles[1] admit that "the bill helped average families". These articles usually go on at length complaining that the tax cuts also help the rich. But this is the kind of thing that directly and immediately helps the middle / working class. Reducing their tax burden puts money back in their pocket. [1] https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2020/10/27/donald-trump-mostly-delivered-2016-campaign-pledge-cut-taxes/3685282001/ https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/20...

imtringued 4y ago
We should follow the singapore/hong kong model of higher property/land taxes and lower income taxes (keep them progressive). The government is supposed to manage the commons and it should be rewarded for doing a good job. Income taxes are frankly terrible. They increase the risk of corruption because they are "free for all". Increasing land value through public investments is often straight forward. Proper urban planning increases tax revenues, bad urban planning decreases tax revenues. Meanwhile with income taxes, the connection is way more elastic. If you fund a $8 trillion infrastructure bill with income taxes, nobody is going to care if the investment is actually worth it but a lot of politicians will be interested in adding "pork" to benefit from the money.