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The Hold the button down is one way of using Smart Summon and it's not the default way. The default way has the car moving forward until you hit stop or it dete

by adoxyz 4y ago

The Hold the button down is one way of using Smart Summon and it's not the default way. The default way has the car moving forward until you hit stop or it detects something in the way.

judge2020 4y ago
I think that's just regular 'summon' where it'll only move straight forward or back, which very well might be what's happening in this video, but "smart summon" does require holding a button down on the phone. The original reddit comment[0] only said "someone tried to summon their Tesla". 0: https://old.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/u95dqt/someone_just_crashed_into_a_vision_jet/i5pgkdw/ https://old.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/u95dqt/someone_just...
cogman10 4y ago
"Hold the botton down" IS the default for both summon and smart summon. There is also (and has always been) a shit ton of warnings you have to ignore to use the feature. [1] Here's a particularly applicable warning from the manual. > Smart Summon may not stop for all objects (especially very low objects such as some curbs, or very high objects such as a shelf) and may not react to all traffic. Smart Summon does not recognize the direction of traffic, does not navigate around empty parking spaces, and may not anticipate crossing traffic. I know a lot of people like to dig at tesla, but they really aggressively warn drivers when it comes to using the driver automation. [1] https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/is_is/GUID-6B9A1AEA-579C-400E-A7A6-E4916BCD5DED.html https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/is_is/GUID-6B9A1AE...
- kadoban 4y ago
  This idea that as long as Tesla puts a warning on it, they have no responsibility is insane. They know it's broken and dangerous, they just don't care.
  - cogman10 4y ago
    There are plenty of dangerous products sold without or with light warnings. Guns, knives, wood chippers, chainsaws etc. Summon/Smart summon can be used safely if you monitor the car. Tesla tells you that if you don't watch the car, you can cause an accident.
    - kadoban 4y ago
      Yeah, what's the point of making anything safer then. Just throw a warning label on it and call it a day, right?
      - cogman10 4y ago
        Yeah, we need to ban the sale of bleach, knives, draino, aspirin, cigarettes, alcohol, hammers, nails, saws, shovels, tractors, semis, trains, cars, fishing poles. After all, we can't make any of those things 100% safe so they are obviously completely broken. Tesla's smart summon operates at under 5mph. It's not perfect, but it's also not fast. If you are using it in a situation where you can't see the car then yes, you are at fault for using a tool in an unsafe manner. Can it be improved and made safer? Certainly. Should it? Yes. Does it need to be completely shut off until it is? No. It can be safely operated by responsible car owners. Until we start having major issues with smart summon damage I see no reason to kill it. A rich person ramming a private plane is not a "major issue" any more than a nascar wreck is a "major issue" for automobiles in general.
        kadoban 4y ago
        Most of those have danger intrinsicly with how they function, making it safe mostly means not using it. Many of them are also are largely only unsafe to the person using them. Those unsafe to the general public have a _large_ amount of regulation and testing around them. Tesla's summon thing is unsafe because they can't be assed to take the time to implement it well and QA it appropriately. Summon isn't intrinsicly unsafe, they just have a half-assed implementation of it. Like many other of their features, they're too interested in pretending it works better than it does, and just throwing a warning in some doc somewhere as cover. Also really all of them are dangerous to the Tesla owner/operator, where an argument could be made that they're accepting the risk, but _also_ to the general public. The general public should not be the victims of Tesla's shitty, unprepared beta test(s), especially not just to satisfy Musk's impatience.
- joshcryer 4y ago
  For sure. But warnings don't solve complacency. You summon your Tesla to the front of Whole Foods successfully for months, go to the airport and expect the same thing. They think "oh these warnings are them just covering their butt." Which the warnings are doing. It shouldn't be called just "summon" it should be called "remote control summon." Because everything about those warnings puts you in control of the situation. But Tesla loves to use branding and will take the hit for when that branding doesn't actually meet its metrics.

by adoxyz 4y ago

The Hold the button down is one way of using Smart Summon and it's not the default way. The default way has the car moving forward until you hit stop or it detects something in the way.

judge2020 4y ago

I think that's just regular 'summon' where it'll only move straight forward or back, which very well might be what's happening in this video, but "smart summon" does require holding a button down on the phone. The original reddit comment[0] only said "someone tried to summon their Tesla". 0: https://old.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/u95dqt/someone_just_crashed_into_a_vision_jet/i5pgkdw/ https://old.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/u95dqt/someone_just...

cogman10 4y ago

"Hold the botton down" IS the default for both summon and smart summon. There is also (and has always been) a shit ton of warnings you have to ignore to use the feature. [1] Here's a particularly applicable warning from the manual. > Smart Summon may not stop for all objects (especially very low objects such as some curbs, or very high objects such as a shelf) and may not react to all traffic. Smart Summon does not recognize the direction of traffic, does not navigate around empty parking spaces, and may not anticipate crossing traffic. I know a lot of people like to dig at tesla, but they really aggressively warn drivers when it comes to using the driver automation. [1] https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/is_is/GUID-6B9A1AEA-579C-400E-A7A6-E4916BCD5DED.html https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/is_is/GUID-6B9A1AE...

kadoban 4y ago
This idea that as long as Tesla puts a warning on it, they have no responsibility is insane. They know it's broken and dangerous, they just don't care.
- cogman10 4y ago
  There are plenty of dangerous products sold without or with light warnings. Guns, knives, wood chippers, chainsaws etc. Summon/Smart summon can be used safely if you monitor the car. Tesla tells you that if you don't watch the car, you can cause an accident.
  - kadoban 4y ago
    Yeah, what's the point of making anything safer then. Just throw a warning label on it and call it a day, right?
    - cogman10 4y ago
      Yeah, we need to ban the sale of bleach, knives, draino, aspirin, cigarettes, alcohol, hammers, nails, saws, shovels, tractors, semis, trains, cars, fishing poles. After all, we can't make any of those things 100% safe so they are obviously completely broken. Tesla's smart summon operates at under 5mph. It's not perfect, but it's also not fast. If you are using it in a situation where you can't see the car then yes, you are at fault for using a tool in an unsafe manner. Can it be improved and made safer? Certainly. Should it? Yes. Does it need to be completely shut off until it is? No. It can be safely operated by responsible car owners. Until we start having major issues with smart summon damage I see no reason to kill it. A rich person ramming a private plane is not a "major issue" any more than a nascar wreck is a "major issue" for automobiles in general.
      - kadoban 4y ago
        Most of those have danger intrinsicly with how they function, making it safe mostly means not using it. Many of them are also are largely only unsafe to the person using them. Those unsafe to the general public have a _large_ amount of regulation and testing around them. Tesla's summon thing is unsafe because they can't be assed to take the time to implement it well and QA it appropriately. Summon isn't intrinsicly unsafe, they just have a half-assed implementation of it. Like many other of their features, they're too interested in pretending it works better than it does, and just throwing a warning in some doc somewhere as cover. Also really all of them are dangerous to the Tesla owner/operator, where an argument could be made that they're accepting the risk, but _also_ to the general public. The general public should not be the victims of Tesla's shitty, unprepared beta test(s), especially not just to satisfy Musk's impatience.
joshcryer 4y ago
For sure. But warnings don't solve complacency. You summon your Tesla to the front of Whole Foods successfully for months, go to the airport and expect the same thing. They think "oh these warnings are them just covering their butt." Which the warnings are doing. It shouldn't be called just "summon" it should be called "remote control summon." Because everything about those warnings puts you in control of the situation. But Tesla loves to use branding and will take the hit for when that branding doesn't actually meet its metrics.