5 ms·

how do you propose we get to level 4 without a large number of humans collecting the data and providing real-time feedback?

roughly 5y ago
Are you talking about the humans inside or outside the car?
- misiti3780 5y ago
  inside driving the cars
toast0 5y ago
If you wanted to do this safely, and you were ok with the massive data collection privacy hazard, what you'd do is collect real-time driving data from a bunch of cars: a) the full sensor stream if possible, but if not, then at least the candidate software could process the sensor stream in real time and output a condensed state and save that b) the human driver's actual control inputs Collect these and analyze when the software's suggested inputs deviate significantly from the human's input. Some of the time, that'll be computer reacted to things faster, or human appears intoxicated, but based on real world reports, there's got to be a large space of human driver did the right thing and computer ignored important parts of the scene. I also think there's some evidence that Tesla has the approach of continue driving unless computer can determine it's unsafe to continue, whereas Alphabet/Google/Waymo has the approach of only drive when computer can determine it's safe, which is way more frustrating to drive nearby, but leads to better outcomes. With Tesla, we usually have reports of collisions at the intended driving speed (which is slow for summon, so great), whereas Waymo collisions are usually at slow speeds often as a result of traffic hitting the Waymo vehicle which was stopped in an unexpected way.
- julianlam 5y ago
  No, that's far too sensible. Remember, we have to move fast and break t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ people, literally!
nradov 5y ago
We're not going to get to level 4 any time soon even with a large number of humans collecting the data and providing real-time feedback.
- misiti3780 5y ago
  how do you know?

roughly 5y ago

Are you talking about the humans inside or outside the car?

misiti3780 5y ago
inside driving the cars

toast0 5y ago

If you wanted to do this safely, and you were ok with the massive data collection privacy hazard, what you'd do is collect real-time driving data from a bunch of cars: a) the full sensor stream if possible, but if not, then at least the candidate software could process the sensor stream in real time and output a condensed state and save that b) the human driver's actual control inputs Collect these and analyze when the software's suggested inputs deviate significantly from the human's input. Some of the time, that'll be computer reacted to things faster, or human appears intoxicated, but based on real world reports, there's got to be a large space of human driver did the right thing and computer ignored important parts of the scene. I also think there's some evidence that Tesla has the approach of continue driving unless computer can determine it's unsafe to continue, whereas Alphabet/Google/Waymo has the approach of only drive when computer can determine it's safe, which is way more frustrating to drive nearby, but leads to better outcomes. With Tesla, we usually have reports of collisions at the intended driving speed (which is slow for summon, so great), whereas Waymo collisions are usually at slow speeds often as a result of traffic hitting the Waymo vehicle which was stopped in an unexpected way.

julianlam 5y ago
No, that's far too sensible. Remember, we have to move fast and break t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ people, literally!

nradov 5y ago

We're not going to get to level 4 any time soon even with a large number of humans collecting the data and providing real-time feedback.

misiti3780 5y ago
how do you know?