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This is my observation as well. Most women don't want to be hired on account of some eng diversity target. It gets really toxic when a company is simultaneously
by Manuel_D 5y ago
This is my observation as well. Most women don't want to be hired on account of some eng diversity target. It gets really toxic when a company is simultaneously engaging in this kind of discrimination while also harshly cracking down on anyone who points it out.
In 2015 I worked at Dropbox when DEI discrimination was ramping up. Among other things, we only interviewed boot camp grads if they were diverse. We also have diverse applicants two tries at the phone screen instead of one. The onsites we're pretty fair, save for a couple hiring managers.
If you asked someone in person, nobody would ever admit to anything. But the company did a poll on whether the hiring process was biased against men and 83% responded yes. What did Arden, the head of HR at the time, do? Rant about how offensive this was to women and how we're all sexist.
To reiterate, most women and URM did not want these policies. There was some more support for affirmative action supporting URM, which makes sense to me and I largely agree with: things like lower college attendance and family income are concrete examples of systemic disadvantage. Women, on the other hand, attend college at largely the same rate and the disparity is due to choice rather than lack of opportunities.
- jrsj 5y agoIn general it’s also a problem with what is considered diverse. If you’re a white man from a poor family with no college education, the policy is to explicitly discriminate against you. If you’re a white woman from an upper middle class background, you’re considered diverse and given advantages despite the fact that you could have gone into any field you wanted, could probably afford to switch on a whim, and don’t have to worry about things like family members potentially dying because they can’t afford their insulin.
- gedy 5y agoYes this is what bugs me. I and older "white males" were mentioned in DEI surveys as something to fix, by an org full of mostly younger and more privileged backgrounds. AFAIK I was the only person in engineering who had been on welfare as a child, literally lived next to a toxic waste dump, etc. When I was a kid, us "nerds" were picked on/beat up for liking computers. This sort of thing really turned me off on most corporate DEI, as it's frequently not about real diversity.
- jrsj 5y agoI’m younger but from a similar background. I don’t have many opportunities available to me, and my family is going to be dependent on me financially when they can no longer work. It’s extremely stressful to have all of this hanging over my head & be expected to applaud it.
- Banana699 5y agoEvery totalitarianism claims the opposite virtues, right ? Dictatorship are always named "People's *". Woke diversity is the exact polar opposite of any reasonable meaning of the word.
- waterhouse 5y agoIt's a strange thing for the adjective "diverse" to apply to a single human, in any case. It's a descriptor that applies to groups; the only way I can see it applying to one human is with genetic mosaicism or something.
- splitstud 5y ago
- __turbobrew__ 5y agoAh, maybe that is why I could never get an interview at dropbox? Maybe I should get rid of my profile pic on linkedin and change my pronouns to "they/them"?
- Manuel_D 5y agoBiggest boost would be to change your name to an ethnic or predominantly female name. Recruiters had compiled spreadsheets of names correlated with women and URM exported from census data. Also spreadsheets on ethnic fraternities and sororities.
- jimbokun 5y agoWomen attend college at a much higher rate than men.