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Men were turned down with vague excuses like “not a culture fit.” That excuse might have been entirely accurate though. Most men are indeed not willing to par
by cperciva 5y ago
Men were turned down with vague excuses like “not a culture fit.”
That excuse might have been entirely accurate though. Most men are indeed not willing to participate in such a blatantly sexist culture.
- lostcolony 5y agoSure there are. Just not a blatantly sexist culture -they don't fit into-. There are plenty of male dominated companies, with male dominated recruiting teams, that still hire mostly males. To be clear, I'm not saying it's okay either way, I'm just disagreeing with the idea 'most men' won't participate in such a culture; most men (oftentimes unwittingly) do.
- gatvol 5y agoTrue, though the study addresses that point too, and that demonstrably does not happen, in Sweden at least.
- forum_ghost 5y ago> that demonstrably does not happen what exactly doesn't happen?
- toolz 5y agoCan you name any of these male dominated companies that hire men disproportionately to the gender demographics of their applicants/interviewees? The issue isn't the distribution of employees, it's whether there is sexism present or not and the first thing you'd probably want for evidence of sexism is disproportionate hiring of a demographic compared to their applicant/interviewee demographic. Just because something is more represented by a demographic does not make it sexist. e.g. Nordic countries seem to be generally celebrated as being socially progressive and ridding themselves of sexism, yet female representation in STEM fields is incredibly low.
- SamReidHughes 5y ago
- spzb 5y ago> intelligence distribution skews more male at the higher end Really? You think there are inherently more intelligent men than women?
- rajin444 5y agoYou think it's equal? That seems so statistically unlikely I could only describe it as a miracle.
- spzb 5y agoExactly equal down to the single individual, yes that would be unlikely. Broadly the same, seems perfectly logical to me.
- rajin444 5y agoMen and women share fundamentally different genetic configurations which makes it seem illogical to me. What makes it seem logical to you?
- spzb 5y agoIntelligence is not purely genetic.
- rajin444 5y agoDon't our genes dictate how we interact with the environment? I'm not sure how it could be anything but. That being said, yes, we can change our environment and see changes in measured intelligence. A person with a head is smarter than one without. To tie it back to your original point, you're saying the male/female differences in intelligence are purely environmental? As in, if two people with different genetic make ups were brought up in the same environment they'd have the same outcomes? If we're seeing equality it's likely the result of changing our environment to force this.
- QuarterReptile 5y agoYou missed a part. From GP: >The recruiting team was all women I guess this is what you get when you outsource hiring.
- PeterStuer 5y agoIn house HR is predominately female nowadays as well.
- QuarterReptile 5y agoFair point. I guess the ideal for getting actual "culture fit" would be for the good applications to somehow reach the team needing the new hire without being filtered for "culture" by a completely unrelated team elsewhere in the company. Come to think of it, I believe that's what an in-house referral is... Hopefully someone becomes rich for solving that problem without needing a friend of a friend to get your foot in the door.
- nicoburns 5y ago> That excuse might have been entirely accurate though. Most men are indeed not willing to participate in such a blatantly sexist culture. Right, but that's exactly the sort of problem that these inclusivity initiatives are designed to tackle (they aim to forcibly change the culture to the point that it is no longer prejudiced). That this one was doing the opposite is highly ironic.