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There is a Twitter satire account that said something I thought was subtly profound: If you ever wondered what you would have done to stop Hitler, you're doing

There is a Twitter satire account that said something I thought was subtly profound: If you ever wondered what you would have done to stop Hitler, you're doing it now.

goodoldneon 4y ago
There's a massive difference in magnitude between Putin and Hitler, but point taken
- nugget 4y ago
  You're comparing Putin as of April 22nd, 2022 to Hitler at the end of his life. We have no idea what Putin's next steps are.
  - goodoldneon 4y ago
    The quote said "Hitler" and not "Hitler when he invaded Poland but before he killed 10+ million innocent civilians"
- Aeolun 4y ago
  Is there? It’s not like we’re in any position to find out until the armies roll into Russia to find the destruction camps. Or the war settles down and Ukraine can do a full inventory and find tens of thousands of people missing or dead. If Russia has really been cremating remains in Mariupol, people may remain missing forever.
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- EB-Barrington 4y ago
  There is basically no difference between the two people. Hello from Kyiv.
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    Right now it's only scale and I agree completely with you. Putin no doubt would be doing same atrocities on the same scale if given the chance.
- sofixa 4y ago
  Is there? Denying people's right to exist, war on bullshit excuses ( they aren't a real country), brutal methods up to and including genocide ( like kidnapping and resettling children). They're not that far off.
  - goodoldneon 4y ago
    Don't get me wrong, Putin is a horrible horrible person. But there's a big difference between starting a war that resulted in 80+ million deaths (including the orchestration of ~10 million civilian deaths in camps) and Putin. Russia is committing war crimes and should be held accountable, but it's disingenuous to conflate Putin and the (arguably) worst person in human history
    - type0 4y ago
      > Russia is committing war crimes and should be held accountable, but it's disingenuous to conflate Putin and the (arguably) worst person in human history If we were to take his nuclear threats to Ukraine seriously, he has all the potential to be one.
gfodor 4y ago
Not really. The existence of nuclear weapons makes the game theory of WWII largely irrelevant. People who have continually compared the situation to Hitler’s invasion of Poland are in large part Americans who are unable to draw on other historical events for better comparisons, and are seeking to virtue signal.
- watwut 4y ago
  That saying does not require the two leaders to be exactly the same.
  - gfodor 4y ago
    Did someone say it did? It wasn’t me.
- rich_sasha 4y ago
  People didn’t oppose Hitler for fear of great amount of destruction and deaths happening to them, as opposed to someone else. It’s not that different.
  - gfodor 4y ago
    It’s only similar if you do not think global annihilation being a meaningful risk factor blows up all your priors comparatively. I do.
    - rich_sasha 4y ago
      Up to a point. In that scenario, "I have nukes" becomes a joker you can pull out to achieve anything less bad than a global nuclear war. Peel off a bit of a neighbour? OK, less bad than nuclear war. What about a "minor" NATO country? What about, "pay me money or else"? And so on. So either you accept that (no thank you from me) or you accept that sometimes you must set limits, even if the other side threatens nuclear war. In that respect it's the same, just different scale. Allies could have said "no" to Hitler earlier, at risk of a devastating war, but chose to say "ah, go ahead" for fear of it. And got that war served up to them anyway. The irony is that WWII could possibly be over in a few weeks, if Hitler's ambitions were stemmed earlier. In September 1939, it is unlikely he could fight on two fronts, and against the British and the French - the actual superpowers of the day.
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CreateAccntAgn 4y ago
Is that aimed at Germany/Europe for bankrolling Russia via energy purchases or the common man?
twoxproblematic 4y ago
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There is a Twitter satire account that said something I thought was subtly profound: If you ever wondered what you would have done to stop Hitler, you're doing it now.

goodoldneon 4y ago

There's a massive difference in magnitude between Putin and Hitler, but point taken

nugget 4y ago
You're comparing Putin as of April 22nd, 2022 to Hitler at the end of his life. We have no idea what Putin's next steps are.
- goodoldneon 4y ago
  The quote said "Hitler" and not "Hitler when he invaded Poland but before he killed 10+ million innocent civilians"
Aeolun 4y ago
Is there? It’s not like we’re in any position to find out until the armies roll into Russia to find the destruction camps. Or the war settles down and Ukraine can do a full inventory and find tens of thousands of people missing or dead. If Russia has really been cremating remains in Mariupol, people may remain missing forever.
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EB-Barrington 4y ago
There is basically no difference between the two people. Hello from Kyiv.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  Right now it's only scale and I agree completely with you. Putin no doubt would be doing same atrocities on the same scale if given the chance.
sofixa 4y ago
Is there? Denying people's right to exist, war on bullshit excuses ( they aren't a real country), brutal methods up to and including genocide ( like kidnapping and resettling children). They're not that far off.
- goodoldneon 4y ago
  Don't get me wrong, Putin is a horrible horrible person. But there's a big difference between starting a war that resulted in 80+ million deaths (including the orchestration of ~10 million civilian deaths in camps) and Putin. Russia is committing war crimes and should be held accountable, but it's disingenuous to conflate Putin and the (arguably) worst person in human history
  - type0 4y ago
    > Russia is committing war crimes and should be held accountable, but it's disingenuous to conflate Putin and the (arguably) worst person in human history If we were to take his nuclear threats to Ukraine seriously, he has all the potential to be one.

gfodor 4y ago

Not really. The existence of nuclear weapons makes the game theory of WWII largely irrelevant. People who have continually compared the situation to Hitler’s invasion of Poland are in large part Americans who are unable to draw on other historical events for better comparisons, and are seeking to virtue signal.

watwut 4y ago
That saying does not require the two leaders to be exactly the same.
- gfodor 4y ago
  Did someone say it did? It wasn’t me.
rich_sasha 4y ago
People didn’t oppose Hitler for fear of great amount of destruction and deaths happening to them, as opposed to someone else. It’s not that different.
- gfodor 4y ago
  It’s only similar if you do not think global annihilation being a meaningful risk factor blows up all your priors comparatively. I do.
  - rich_sasha 4y ago
    Up to a point. In that scenario, "I have nukes" becomes a joker you can pull out to achieve anything less bad than a global nuclear war. Peel off a bit of a neighbour? OK, less bad than nuclear war. What about a "minor" NATO country? What about, "pay me money or else"? And so on. So either you accept that (no thank you from me) or you accept that sometimes you must set limits, even if the other side threatens nuclear war. In that respect it's the same, just different scale. Allies could have said "no" to Hitler earlier, at risk of a devastating war, but chose to say "ah, go ahead" for fear of it. And got that war served up to them anyway. The irony is that WWII could possibly be over in a few weeks, if Hitler's ambitions were stemmed earlier. In September 1939, it is unlikely he could fight on two fronts, and against the British and the French - the actual superpowers of the day.

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CreateAccntAgn 4y ago

Is that aimed at Germany/Europe for bankrolling Russia via energy purchases or the common man?

twoxproblematic 4y ago

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