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How can Russians live with themselves. One of my neighbours is from Mariupol, this is truly devastating for him and hundreds of thousands of others. Truly, barb

How can Russians live with themselves. One of my neighbours is from Mariupol, this is truly devastating for him and hundreds of thousands of others. Truly, barbarian tactics. Not just Mariupol - I just finished speaking with my neighbour (fixer for international media org) who interviewed a young girl not far from Kyiv. The sister and mother of the girl were beaten and raped until they died, by Russian soldiers. The girl was forced to watch. She then lived in her apartment several days, with the corpses, until she felt safe to escape. Most Russians support this war. I'll leave it to you to find any reliable sources that disagree with that statement. Russia is a very, very, sick nation.This is why Ukraine will never surrender. Can you imagine surrendering, and your "reward" is to live under the Russian regime? BTW, I live in Kyiv, I'm not Ukrainian.

rory_isAdonk 4y ago
All the reasons why Russia will eventually lose this conflict one way or another.
- EB-Barrington 4y ago
  Totally agree. Ukraine will never, ever, give up. The price will be high, but there is no other choice.
  - coward-guy 4y ago
    Because the UK and US will not allow a peace treaty between Russia and Ukraine, they want "to fight to the last Ukrainian standing".
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    - EB-Barrington 4y ago
      Ukrainians will indeed fight to the last Ukrainian standing, you tend to do that when you have barbarian Russians raping and murdering your populace and you would prefer not to live under their purely evil dictatorship. (that really doesn't require any encouragement from the UK, or the US) (I note your account was created in response to the Russian invasion - your motives are very transparently pro-Kremlin)
      - coward-guy 4y ago
        After the meeting in Istanbul, everyone in Russia and Ukraine had hope for an early peace (even the stock market speaks about it), the next day Ukrainian air forces attacked Russia (Belgorod) for the first time. This is was a clear sign, that UK and US has no goal to complete this was as soon as possible. The real goal is to get stuck Russia in this swamp for as long as possible. The model of Soviet-Afghan war. My motives are not pro-Kremlin, but indeed I live in Russia and consume pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian propaganda. However, I can also read popular Ukrainian Telegram channels (> 1 mln.) and I see the mockery of corpses of Russian soldiers in every second video. Ukrainians are happy to savor photos of disfigured bodies. I quite often see videos of Ukrainian women and men with bare bottoms tied to poles because they are supposedly looters, and if there are such videos, then it's scary to imagine how many did not get on the video. I see how the Ukrainian government contributes to the process of dehumanization of Ukrainian people. And I know why this is being done.
        jhgb 4y ago
        > After the meeting in Istanbul, everyone in Russia and Ukraine had hope for an early peace (even the stock market speaks about it), the next day Ukrainian air forces attacked Russia (Belgorod) for the first time. Oh no! Now Russia will have to invade them! Oh, wait...
        EB-Barrington 4y ago
        "the Ukrainian government contributes to the process of dehumanization of Ukrainian people." Given the murders and rapes your countrymen are doing non-stop, this is a purely sick thing to say. I'm glad it's here for all to see - it's a worryingly common Russian attitude, that somehow the Ukrainian government are the dehumanisers, the "Nazi's"... ...and the poor Russians soldiers are the victims.
        coward-guy 4y ago
        Did I say that Russian soldiers are the victims? No. I know they killed civilians. I know that many of them are looters. I strongly against this war. I want it to stop it right now. The purpose of my message is to show that most people only read pro-Ukraine propaganda and they don't want to figure out what were the reasons for this war. They don't want to know that the National Guard of Ukraine has a real neo-nazi battalion, which in 2019, 40 US senators recognized as terrorist. Most people don't want to know that there was a war in the east of Ukraine for 8 years and now it's final stage. They don't want to think about Odessa massacre in 2014 when pro-Ukranian activists burned their opponents alive. Air attack on Luhansk in 2014? I understand that it is easier to construct a chain of thoughts where the Russians are to blame for everything. But not everything is so unipolar. I recommend to watch George Friedman's talk, a man who can hardly be called pro-Russian, but who predicted this conflict: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLu_yyz3tc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLu_yyz3tc
    - tim333 4y ago
      I haven't seen any evidence of that and the UK/US haven't got much power to do anything if Zelenski and Putin reached a deal.
- tomjen3 4y ago
  Why they should lose it. Nothing is guaranteed.
ncake 4y ago
Those Russians who are on your side are very sorry for your tragedy, but don't feel responsible for being born into a dictatorship. And those who aren't, are vocally unashamed for other reasons.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  I don't think being born into a dictatorship is an excuse. Not for me anyway.
mcv 4y ago
This is why Ukrainians fight so hard, and will never surrender: their parents grew up under Russian oppression, they've been living in freedom for 30 years, and they do not want their children to grow up under similar oppression as their parents. Not to mention that Russian state media has basically declared every Ukrainian who isn't actively helping Russia, to be "Nazis", and they should all be killed or put to slave labour. That's an outright call to massive genocide. Ukrainians have no option but to fight.
aliyfarah 4y ago
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- EB-Barrington 4y ago
  What do you think about Russians?
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- _6hmp 4y ago
  How is this relevant to the parent poster? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Aeolun 4y ago
> Most Russians support this war. It’s because all the Russians that would not support it know how sick Russia is, and have already left it behind. All the Russians I know are sane people, but all of them live outside Russia :/
- EB-Barrington 4y ago
  I know Russians exactly as you have described - they have abandoned their home and family, unable to partake in such a sick society for any longer. Yes, they're the sane Russians.
  - divan 4y ago
    Ask sane russians two simple questions - "When did WWII started?" and "Who won the WWII?". Most likely you'll hear "1941" and "Soviets" as a response. It's important to understand that russians live in imperialistic narration and propaganda for centuries. Their most renowned poet, Pushkin, is not very different from modern russian TV-propagandists in their ardent support of wars. Even the "sane russians" see the world through the lens of alternative history and set of beliefes incompatible with democratic governance. So while they're minority, they still carry the same memes and cultural DNA that enabled Stalin and Putin. It is a very sick nation.
MrRiddle 4y ago
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- EB-Barrington 4y ago
  You don't believe that majority public support for a war involving rape, murder, theft, and destruction of/from civilians is sick?
  - MrRiddle 4y ago
    You don’t believe defense of DNR from valid Nazi treat is valid? You understand Azov are Nazis right? There are 70k Ukrainians led by Nazis in front of DNR, defeating them is completely valid cause for war.
    - JaimeThompson 4y ago
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      - MrRiddle 4y ago
        JaimeThompson 4y ago
        MrRiddle 4y ago
        JaimeThompson 4y ago
        >All out attack on cities? Nope How would you classify the attacks on cities such as Mariupol if not all out attacks? >Humanitarian corridors established? Yep How many times has Russia attacked civilians on those corridors? How many have they mined? How many have they refused to create in the first place? >Shut down their electricity, utilities, internet? Nope Given the dependence the Russian military has on such systems for CnC, general communications, and such it is to their advantage to keep them up and active. Attacking power plants wouldn't do much either given the Ukraine grid is now tied to the EU wide grid as of March 16, 2022 if I remember the date correctly. >Your claims are childish and ignorant. It appears that I have a deeper understanding of the subject than you do, at least to me.

rory_isAdonk 4y ago

All the reasons why Russia will eventually lose this conflict one way or another.

EB-Barrington 4y ago
Totally agree. Ukraine will never, ever, give up. The price will be high, but there is no other choice.
- coward-guy 4y ago
  Because the UK and US will not allow a peace treaty between Russia and Ukraine, they want "to fight to the last Ukrainian standing".
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    [deleted]
  - EB-Barrington 4y ago
    Ukrainians will indeed fight to the last Ukrainian standing, you tend to do that when you have barbarian Russians raping and murdering your populace and you would prefer not to live under their purely evil dictatorship. (that really doesn't require any encouragement from the UK, or the US) (I note your account was created in response to the Russian invasion - your motives are very transparently pro-Kremlin)
    - coward-guy 4y ago
      After the meeting in Istanbul, everyone in Russia and Ukraine had hope for an early peace (even the stock market speaks about it), the next day Ukrainian air forces attacked Russia (Belgorod) for the first time. This is was a clear sign, that UK and US has no goal to complete this was as soon as possible. The real goal is to get stuck Russia in this swamp for as long as possible. The model of Soviet-Afghan war. My motives are not pro-Kremlin, but indeed I live in Russia and consume pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian propaganda. However, I can also read popular Ukrainian Telegram channels (> 1 mln.) and I see the mockery of corpses of Russian soldiers in every second video. Ukrainians are happy to savor photos of disfigured bodies. I quite often see videos of Ukrainian women and men with bare bottoms tied to poles because they are supposedly looters, and if there are such videos, then it's scary to imagine how many did not get on the video. I see how the Ukrainian government contributes to the process of dehumanization of Ukrainian people. And I know why this is being done.
      - jhgb 4y ago
        > After the meeting in Istanbul, everyone in Russia and Ukraine had hope for an early peace (even the stock market speaks about it), the next day Ukrainian air forces attacked Russia (Belgorod) for the first time. Oh no! Now Russia will have to invade them! Oh, wait...
      - EB-Barrington 4y ago
        "the Ukrainian government contributes to the process of dehumanization of Ukrainian people." Given the murders and rapes your countrymen are doing non-stop, this is a purely sick thing to say. I'm glad it's here for all to see - it's a worryingly common Russian attitude, that somehow the Ukrainian government are the dehumanisers, the "Nazi's"... ...and the poor Russians soldiers are the victims.
        coward-guy 4y ago
        Did I say that Russian soldiers are the victims? No. I know they killed civilians. I know that many of them are looters. I strongly against this war. I want it to stop it right now. The purpose of my message is to show that most people only read pro-Ukraine propaganda and they don't want to figure out what were the reasons for this war. They don't want to know that the National Guard of Ukraine has a real neo-nazi battalion, which in 2019, 40 US senators recognized as terrorist. Most people don't want to know that there was a war in the east of Ukraine for 8 years and now it's final stage. They don't want to think about Odessa massacre in 2014 when pro-Ukranian activists burned their opponents alive. Air attack on Luhansk in 2014? I understand that it is easier to construct a chain of thoughts where the Russians are to blame for everything. But not everything is so unipolar. I recommend to watch George Friedman's talk, a man who can hardly be called pro-Russian, but who predicted this conflict: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLu_yyz3tc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLu_yyz3tc
  - tim333 4y ago
    I haven't seen any evidence of that and the UK/US haven't got much power to do anything if Zelenski and Putin reached a deal.
tomjen3 4y ago
Why they should lose it. Nothing is guaranteed.

ncake 4y ago

Those Russians who are on your side are very sorry for your tragedy, but don't feel responsible for being born into a dictatorship. And those who aren't, are vocally unashamed for other reasons.

lostmsu 4y ago
I don't think being born into a dictatorship is an excuse. Not for me anyway.

mcv 4y ago

This is why Ukrainians fight so hard, and will never surrender: their parents grew up under Russian oppression, they've been living in freedom for 30 years, and they do not want their children to grow up under similar oppression as their parents. Not to mention that Russian state media has basically declared every Ukrainian who isn't actively helping Russia, to be "Nazis", and they should all be killed or put to slave labour. That's an outright call to massive genocide. Ukrainians have no option but to fight.

aliyfarah 4y ago

delete

EB-Barrington 4y ago
What do you think about Russians?
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_6hmp 4y ago
How is this relevant to the parent poster? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Aeolun 4y ago

> Most Russians support this war. It’s because all the Russians that would not support it know how sick Russia is, and have already left it behind. All the Russians I know are sane people, but all of them live outside Russia :/

EB-Barrington 4y ago
I know Russians exactly as you have described - they have abandoned their home and family, unable to partake in such a sick society for any longer. Yes, they're the sane Russians.
- divan 4y ago
  Ask sane russians two simple questions - "When did WWII started?" and "Who won the WWII?". Most likely you'll hear "1941" and "Soviets" as a response. It's important to understand that russians live in imperialistic narration and propaganda for centuries. Their most renowned poet, Pushkin, is not very different from modern russian TV-propagandists in their ardent support of wars. Even the "sane russians" see the world through the lens of alternative history and set of beliefes incompatible with democratic governance. So while they're minority, they still carry the same memes and cultural DNA that enabled Stalin and Putin. It is a very sick nation.

MrRiddle 4y ago

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EB-Barrington 4y ago
You don't believe that majority public support for a war involving rape, murder, theft, and destruction of/from civilians is sick?
- MrRiddle 4y ago
  You don’t believe defense of DNR from valid Nazi treat is valid? You understand Azov are Nazis right? There are 70k Ukrainians led by Nazis in front of DNR, defeating them is completely valid cause for war.
  - JaimeThompson 4y ago
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    - MrRiddle 4y ago
      - JaimeThompson 4y ago
        MrRiddle 4y ago
        JaimeThompson 4y ago
        >All out attack on cities? Nope How would you classify the attacks on cities such as Mariupol if not all out attacks? >Humanitarian corridors established? Yep How many times has Russia attacked civilians on those corridors? How many have they mined? How many have they refused to create in the first place? >Shut down their electricity, utilities, internet? Nope Given the dependence the Russian military has on such systems for CnC, general communications, and such it is to their advantage to keep them up and active. Attacking power plants wouldn't do much either given the Ukraine grid is now tied to the EU wide grid as of March 16, 2022 if I remember the date correctly. >Your claims are childish and ignorant. It appears that I have a deeper understanding of the subject than you do, at least to me.