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I think that while this is definitely true of opportunistic politicians who will take any advantage they can, I don't this is actually true of most people who a

I think that while this is definitely true of opportunistic politicians who will take any advantage they can, I don't this is actually true of most people who actually believe in states' rights as a real principle (as opposed to a politically malleable one). For instance, I have close family members who are strong free-market conservatives (to a pragmatic extent, not anarcho-capitalists or anything) who I consider to be good, decent, and intelligent people. Across the board they support states' rights to make decisions about loads of things, even those things they personally don't want (e.g. drug legalization, public healthcare, climate change regulation). Not saying that those tribally-minded "our team must win at all costs" folks don't exist, but those who actually believe in free-market conservative values for their own sake (as opposed to for the benefit of their "team") are, in my experience, just as reasonable as most other groups, and I think we can criticize hypocrisy without painting with such a wide brush.

everybodyknows 4y ago
> people who actually believe in states' rights as a real principle ... OP's implication was that such principled individuals exercise not much power in the real-world politics of our time.
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- parkingrift 4y ago
  Yes. Unfortunately, we have to vote between two parties. When I vote I am typically voting for someone who I hope to agree with on 50% of the issues. There is no sane political party in the United States any longer. Pick your poison.
beardedetim 4y ago
This has been my experience as well along both sides of the axis. If you're not "Lets Go Brandon" or whatever the equivalent is on the left, you usually are reasonable and have valid opinions. Even more so, we usually share the same ideals just have different ways of getting there. There isn't huge division out there. Just two camps of dicks with most of us in the middle.
- bsenftner 4y ago
  - mbg721 4y ago
    The entire reason "Let's Go Brandon" became a thing was that the incident validated conservative complaints about big media bias. It was "Were you saying 'Boo', or 'Boo-urns'??" in real life.
    - monocasa 4y ago
      Sort of. AFAICT, it had more to do with the fact that you can't drop knowingly allow f-bombs on broadcast TV without having your license taken away, so sometimes reporters will pretend they misheard something so they don't have to cut away during live interviews.
      - jaywalk 4y ago
        Nah, the profanity rules are substantially relaxed for live broadcasts these days. "Fleeting expletives" will not trigger a fine. Indeed, just watch a Sunday afternoon NFL game and you're guaranteed to hear some naughty words. Primetime games generally use a delay so the audio can be dumped, but the afternoon games don't bother with it even though they're on broadcast TV as well.
        monocasa 4y ago
        It wasn't fleeting, the crowd was chanting it during the whole interview. The production staff almost certainly went out of their way to include it in fact.
        jaywalk 4y ago
        It may not have been fleeting by the dictionary definition of the word, but it definitely was by the way the rules are applied. I've worked in the broadcast industry and have had to deal directly with this subject, so I'm not just spouting nonsense here.

everybodyknows 4y ago

> people who actually believe in states' rights as a real principle ... OP's implication was that such principled individuals exercise not much power in the real-world politics of our time.

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parkingrift 4y ago
Yes. Unfortunately, we have to vote between two parties. When I vote I am typically voting for someone who I hope to agree with on 50% of the issues. There is no sane political party in the United States any longer. Pick your poison.

beardedetim 4y ago

This has been my experience as well along both sides of the axis. If you're not "Lets Go Brandon" or whatever the equivalent is on the left, you usually are reasonable and have valid opinions. Even more so, we usually share the same ideals just have different ways of getting there. There isn't huge division out there. Just two camps of dicks with most of us in the middle.

bsenftner 4y ago
- mbg721 4y ago
  The entire reason "Let's Go Brandon" became a thing was that the incident validated conservative complaints about big media bias. It was "Were you saying 'Boo', or 'Boo-urns'??" in real life.
  - monocasa 4y ago
    Sort of. AFAICT, it had more to do with the fact that you can't drop knowingly allow f-bombs on broadcast TV without having your license taken away, so sometimes reporters will pretend they misheard something so they don't have to cut away during live interviews.
    - jaywalk 4y ago
      Nah, the profanity rules are substantially relaxed for live broadcasts these days. "Fleeting expletives" will not trigger a fine. Indeed, just watch a Sunday afternoon NFL game and you're guaranteed to hear some naughty words. Primetime games generally use a delay so the audio can be dumped, but the afternoon games don't bother with it even though they're on broadcast TV as well.
      - monocasa 4y ago
        It wasn't fleeting, the crowd was chanting it during the whole interview. The production staff almost certainly went out of their way to include it in fact.
        jaywalk 4y ago
        It may not have been fleeting by the dictionary definition of the word, but it definitely was by the way the rules are applied. I've worked in the broadcast industry and have had to deal directly with this subject, so I'm not just spouting nonsense here.