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> I worked at a company that used the phrase "getting jamf'd" as a verb to describe when the management system broke things on your macbook. It's just a manage

> I worked at a company that used the phrase "getting jamf'd" as a verb to describe when the management system broke things on your macbook. It's just a management framework - Do developers who use windows say "getting sccm'd" or "getting Intuned" when SCCM/Intune does management actions on their devices? > I got Jamf'd pretty hard this morning and now my build is broken... If the IT department is pushing stuff out through the management framework on the devices that is "breaking builds" - they are doing device management wrong. And if the IT department is pushing out Config Profiles which break things people use every day, thats more a people problem than technology/Jamf problem. (as in the IT dept are morons)

skissane 4y ago
I think part of the problem is that many IT departments have a culture which focuses on the needs of less-technical users. They often don't have a good appreciation of the more demanding needs of technical teams. Non-technical users need a lot of handholding – an approach which can be irritating to the technically advanced. A locked-down UI which doesn't let you change any settings may be the right approach for non-technical users, developers can find it infuriating that you won't let them try to solve their problem themselves, and instead force them to talk to a helpdesk who don't understand it either and want to follow some script ("Have you tried rebooting?"), before they let you talk to someone who actually understands what is going on Maybe software like Jamf isn't inherently a problem, but it can encourage IT departments with that kind of culture to do more things to irritate developers (like automatically run buggy scripts on developer laptops without any notice or easy visibility into what those scripts are and what they do), which without that kind of management software available to them, they would have been less likely to try to do. Developers are more likely to have configured their environment in custom ways which will cause IT's buggy script to play up and cause problems I used to work for Oracle, and while I was there Oracle had a whole separate IT department just for the engineering/R&D org, while the main IT department serviced the rest of the business (sales/support/finance/legal/HR/etc). I don't know whether Oracle still uses that setup, but (if the company is large enough to sustain it) that could be an approach to avoid some of this
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girvo 4y ago
We did use to whinge about group profiles a lot lol
Spooky23 4y ago
SCCM is usually pretty below the radar. When IT, Security, and compliance are stepping over each other with GPO, that’s when you really suffer. My favorite was when some jackass deployed something via GPO that dropped a script in user space that triggered a serious Crowdstrike alert.
jahewson 4y ago
My experience of Jampf is that the jamf process “just” eats 99% of my cpu for about 15 minutes every time I do an npm install.
- JohnBooty 4y ago
  Yeah. I work in fintech and we have a whole slate of management/security apps on our Macs. JAMF and some other stuff. Lots of random 99% CPU... intervals. Although that hasn't happened lately. Anything involving tons of files (so, Node) takes like 2-4x as long as it does on a Mac that's not loaded down like this. It's painful. Not sure how much of this is due to JAMF and how much of this is due to the other wonderful apps.
dijit 4y ago
> It's just a management framework - Do developers who use windows say "getting sccm'd" or "getting Intuned" when SCCM/Intune does management actions on their devices? Ubisoft Massive does have the phrase "got GPO'd" if that helps.
Melatonic 4y ago
Yea this sounds like the IT department at his org just sucks!

skissane 4y ago

I think part of the problem is that many IT departments have a culture which focuses on the needs of less-technical users. They often don't have a good appreciation of the more demanding needs of technical teams. Non-technical users need a lot of handholding – an approach which can be irritating to the technically advanced. A locked-down UI which doesn't let you change any settings may be the right approach for non-technical users, developers can find it infuriating that you won't let them try to solve their problem themselves, and instead force them to talk to a helpdesk who don't understand it either and want to follow some script ("Have you tried rebooting?"), before they let you talk to someone who actually understands what is going on Maybe software like Jamf isn't inherently a problem, but it can encourage IT departments with that kind of culture to do more things to irritate developers (like automatically run buggy scripts on developer laptops without any notice or easy visibility into what those scripts are and what they do), which without that kind of management software available to them, they would have been less likely to try to do. Developers are more likely to have configured their environment in custom ways which will cause IT's buggy script to play up and cause problems I used to work for Oracle, and while I was there Oracle had a whole separate IT department just for the engineering/R&D org, while the main IT department serviced the rest of the business (sales/support/finance/legal/HR/etc). I don't know whether Oracle still uses that setup, but (if the company is large enough to sustain it) that could be an approach to avoid some of this

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girvo 4y ago

We did use to whinge about group profiles a lot lol

Spooky23 4y ago

SCCM is usually pretty below the radar. When IT, Security, and compliance are stepping over each other with GPO, that’s when you really suffer. My favorite was when some jackass deployed something via GPO that dropped a script in user space that triggered a serious Crowdstrike alert.

jahewson 4y ago

My experience of Jampf is that the jamf process “just” eats 99% of my cpu for about 15 minutes every time I do an npm install.

JohnBooty 4y ago
Yeah. I work in fintech and we have a whole slate of management/security apps on our Macs. JAMF and some other stuff. Lots of random 99% CPU... intervals. Although that hasn't happened lately. Anything involving tons of files (so, Node) takes like 2-4x as long as it does on a Mac that's not loaded down like this. It's painful. Not sure how much of this is due to JAMF and how much of this is due to the other wonderful apps.

dijit 4y ago

> It's just a management framework - Do developers who use windows say "getting sccm'd" or "getting Intuned" when SCCM/Intune does management actions on their devices? Ubisoft Massive does have the phrase "got GPO'd" if that helps.

Melatonic 4y ago

Yea this sounds like the IT department at his org just sucks!