7 ms·
I would spend 15% of my net worth on free speech. Wouldn't you? A lot of people downvoting, so I'll expand; It's fair to give the benefit of the doubt given th
by memish 5y ago
I would spend 15% of my net worth on free speech. Wouldn't you?
A lot of people downvoting, so I'll expand; It's fair to give the benefit of the doubt given that Tesla is helping combat climate change and SpaceX is about becoming multi-planetary. These are civilization level problems and solutions.
The idea is to make twitter a TRUSTED public square. He suggests open sourcing the algorithm and making all moderation actions visible to the public. Makes sense as transparency is needed to rebuild trust in the platform.
- bombcar 5y agoEveryone agrees that "free speech" should have limits (e.g, not be free) but nobody agrees on where those limits are.
- deleted 5y ago[deleted]
- nradov 5y agoThe majority of US citizens agree with the very narrow limits on free speech defined by the Supreme Court. Only a fringe minority want much stricter limits, or no limits at all. Twitter could potentially align their content policy to match US law and stop censoring legal content, although that would make it less valuable to some advertisers.
- jeremyjh 5y agoWe already have that, it’s called 4chan.
- robonerd 5y agoNot really, most of 4chan is moderated (albeit inconsistently and often capriciously.) I think the defining characteristics of 4chan are anonymity (from other users anyway, with some caveats) and the culture/reputation of the website.
- thebigman433 5y ago> The majority of US citizens agree with the very narrow limits on free speech defined by the Supreme Court Do you mean to say that the majority of people believe this is how private companies should operate? If so, Id love to hear your reasoning for thinking that, because I would disagree heavily. Saying racist stuff is legal, but its still going to get you kicked out of almost every bar, with few to no complaints from other patrons.
- tyre 5y agoMusk cares about free speech in the same way as the US South cares about states’ rights.
- weakfish 5y agoExcellent analogy
- mardifoufs 5y agoNo, comparing Musk to slavery is probably not an excellent analogy. Jesus Christ
- rsync 5y agoYou’ve misunderstood the analogy. The analogy is about misusing a high minded principle to further selfish - or even morally negative - ends. It is, indeed, a good analogy.
- weakfish 5y agoYeah, rsync (great username) is correct in my meaning
- native_samples 5y agoHe didn't misunderstand the analogy, it's obvious what was meant. He's pointing out that comparing Musk's intentions to slavery is absurd, which it is. It's a crap analogy because: a. Nothing Musk is doing or wants to do with Twitter is immoral. b. Even if you disagree the scale is totally wrong, but in analogies the sense of scale matters.
- FerociousTimes 5y agoPearl-clutching! Some fine example of antebellum Southern imagery there. I love practical joke, keep 'em coming!
- bigbillheck 5y ago
- Barrin92 5y ago>I would spend 15% of my net worth on free speech. Wouldn't you? I totally believe that you would do that, I don't believe that Musk would do that, a guy so petty he once cancelled someone's Tesla order after he dared to make a 'rude post' on the internet, with an interesting justification about the nature of private businesses' ability to discriminate: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/694802955170553861 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/694802955170553861 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk-blogger-tesla-motors-model-x https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk...
- deckard1 5y agoLet's not forget the time Musk tried to get a guy to take down a Twitter account that tracks Elon's private jet. If Elon owned Twitter he would just close the account himself. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-offered-5k-remove-jet-tracker-twitter-account-report-2022-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-offered-5k-remove-...
- robonerd 5y agoIf he closes that guy's account, that would be egregiously hypocritical. But I don't see anything wrong with merely offering somebody money to shut up.
- kjksf 5y agoMusk offered him money because he was concerned about his safety. Which is a very legitimate concern. See John Lennon. It certainly wasn't an attempt to silence a critic, which is the thing people say he'll start doing when he gets control of Twitter.
- SXX 5y agoHow having some twitter account affect his safety? That twitter account just re-post data that is completely public already.
- 5y ago
- Daffodils 5y agoTSLA is helping rich people think that they are helping combat climate change, whilst keeping their unsustainable car centric lifestyle.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoTesla has replaced two million gasoline cars with electric cars, and given its current growth rate, this number will likely be massively larger in a few years. Musk has since long ago pursued a publically disclosed plan for Tesla, for the company to release progressively more affordable electric vehicles, so the current growth rate in number of vehicles sold could very well be sustained for years to come. Beyond Tesla's own sales, its success has sparked massive investment by other carmakers to push their electric vehicle manufacturing timetables forward. There is no reasonable case to be made that Tesla has not had a massive impact on pushing the world to replace gasoline vehicles with electric ones. And most people consider that to be good for the environment, even if you now don't.
- JoeAltmaier 5y agoA lot of assumptions there that things will continue to get cheaper, cost in manufacturing will drop, battery range will continue to improve, charging stations continue to proliferate, the grid respond to the burden, and no missteps in captialization and expansion cause it all to collapse.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoExtremely safe assumptions given the investments being made by Tesla, not to mention other carmakers. The electric grid responding to the burden is almost certain as well, given the history of the grid handling decades of rising year-over-year energy usage in most localities. As for mistakes, the company can afford many small to intermediate missteps and still accomplish what I described, because the company's momentum is already pushing it to accomplish these achievements.
- 5y ago
- Planktonne 5y ago> It's fair to give the benefit of the doubt given that Tesla is helping combat climate change and SpaceX is about becoming multi-planetary I don't think it's reasonable to give the benefit of the doubt to [highly debatable claim] based on uncritically accepting other [highly debatable claims].
- CryptoPunk 5y agoReplacing gasoline-powered cars with electric ones helping combat climate change is "highly debatable"?
- Planktonne 5y agoReplacing gasoline-powered cars with electric vehicles is potentially part of combating climate change, but this depends a lot on the specifics of manufacturing etc. [1] Regardless, "helping combat climate change" is at best an incomplete description of Tesla, in the same way that Nestle is not perfectly captured by "Good food, good life" ; these are potential side-effects, rather than inarguable core missions. We should be wary of accepting the slogans of profit-driven organisations as the truth. Wendy's is focused a lot more on selling than locating beef, for example. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/timabansal/2021/05/13/how-green-is-tesla-really/?sh=4f0a32d31576 https://www.forbes.com/sites/timabansal/2021/05/13/how-green...
- CryptoPunk 5y agoIt's a very significant part of combating climate change, without which there is no hope of achieving zero carbon, and no company has done more to make that happen than Tesla. One can praise Tesla while still acknowledging that it should not be blinded trusted to always work in the public interest, and also while recognizing Tesla's contributions alone are not enough for human civilization to get to zero carbon. Minimizing how significant Tesla's contribution has been relative to other carmakers', and in fact, the vast majority if not all other companies in general, is not an honest way of addressing these inadequancies and challenges you highlight, and suggests to me a motivation unrelated to environmentalism behind it.
- pastor_bob 5y agoMusk is not supportive of free speech worldwide. Only in the US and Canada, where he knows he can get away with it.
- AshamedCaptain 5y agoI think a couple million gives you more than plenty to create as many WWW platforms for promoting as much free speech as you want. No need to burn so much money to also buy the brand name of one specific ISP.
- MisterBastahrd 5y agoNo? Because this has nothing to do with free speech. Twitter is a clout farm and he wants to own it.