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The 1950s miracle kitchen of the future

39 points by redshirt 4y ago

userbinator 4y ago
That robotic vacuum cleaner certainly has the mid-century look.
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  I wonder if there's a market for plastic/fiberglass roomba body kits...
bombcar 4y ago
It’s interesting to me that most people, even when renovating their kitchen in a home they never intend to sell, don’t bother adjusting the counter heights to that most compatible with the user. Multiple heights are appearing in more designs now.
- c22 4y ago
  I put our counters on motorized standing desk hardware. My wife's ideal height and my own are no where near compatible so now we can just hit our individual preset button. Plumbing the sink was the trickiest part.
  - FinnKuhn 4y ago
    This sounds a really need idea, I can't really imagine how this would look/work in reality though, especially when you are cooking together
    - bombcar 4y ago
      I surmise it'd look like a slow-motion version of an equalizer light diagram! (It practicality each would likely pick the appropriate counter to set to a height).
  - reportingsjr 4y ago
    Whoa, can you provide pictures/video of this? Getting this to look nice would be a lot of work!
  - pinot 4y ago
    I need to see this
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  Most people renovating their own homes are married. There's enough height difference between most married couples that trying to optimize beyond "yeah, close enough" is a fool's errand.
- joezydeco 4y ago
  At least in the USA, most undercounter appliances and cabinetry and designed for a common height. Anything else is custom or ADA-compliant which costs more.
aaron695 4y ago
I would say a big reason air fryers have become so successful is you don't have to bend down like an oven to use or clean. Air fryers are a good example of a post-internet kitchen change. There's nothing obviously logical about air fryers in a lot of houses. I'll use mine over my far more advanced, self cleaning oven whenever I can. Looking after your back is also big in this kitchen, which is interesting. But in the end it wasn't at the project stage for ovens, it seems it was a modular device end users could buy.
- graftak 4y ago
  Where I’m from most people have built-in ovens where the bottom is just above counter top height, making it way more convenient to deal with. The vogue thing now is to even have dishwashers in high cabinets so they can be placed at a more ergonomic height.
- pixl97 4y ago
  In most houses the oven takes much more time in relation to the amount of food cooked. When I'm cooking for 2, the air dryer gets used heavily. When I'm cooking for the full family it's the oven. This would also correspond with the decrease in average family size over time.
- theriddlr 4y ago
  Air fryers are cheaper to run than ovens.
bxparks 4y ago
This Miracle Kitchen would be my Kitchen-from-Hell. Every unnecessary moving part is something that needs to be maintained, and is something that will eventually break and will need to be repaired or replaced. When I moved into my current house, I found many screws holding the hinges of the kitchen cabinet doors were loose and needed to be tightened. One hinge had become completely disconnected because its screws had stripped from the side board. The previous owners had not performed the most basic maintenance of just tightening some screws. I suspect that a motorized cupboard with motors, gears, rails, and rollers would be a maintenance nightmare. A sink that moves up and down means plumbing pipes that move, which gives me images of water leaking slowly behind the cabinet and destroying the subfloor.
- kkfx 4y ago
  Likely, but not necessarily: take a look at an ICE car: it's mechanical complexity is undoubtedly higher, it also operate normally under more environmental stress and for much longer time, however it's mostly very reliable compared to countless others "appliances" we have. The issue is the actual social model: we produce goods to sell them, not much to fulfill a purpose, we do buy goods with a use-and-dispose mindset not asking for "investments in $appliance", the whole house is seen as an investments, but it's content normally is considered a kind of commodity nearly no one care about and the result is cheap prices in absolute terms, far expensive in relative terms (for what they are) and overall very low quality. But that's not a tech issue, it's mostly a social issue. If we start seeing a furnished "houseplace" [1] as an asset not as a commodity things might change. In that case equipment/appliances are not just something I drop there of the shelves of a nearby vendor but something valuable I use, profiting from it, then I ask for reliable and maintainable stuff not for the cheapest because they are all the same crap so better pay less, it's overpriced anyway... A slow moving sink for instance it's not much an issue: in the past and for decades, at least in Europe we used flexible anyway to connect sink, bidet, etc, those are a rubber tube surrounded by a traced inox "tissue" with flanges on both side, sometimes with a rubber joint sometimes with a built-in PTFE permanent semi-conic joint and rarely something in between. The are the same conceptually of those used in cars and planes for hydraulic (for instance for breaks), very reliable, sometimes more than rigid ones. Also you can achieve the same result with a moving footboard under the sink able even to lift a child or an adult if needed, again it's the same principle of trucks rear hydraulic tailgate, witch is actually very reliable. The issue is the overall cost and so how people value things and how they consider them useful or not. Think about an hypothetical humans society that instead of investing gazillion of resources to build roads/roads infra (like bridge, tunnels etc) have decide to go for drones-alike flying transports as "we" have discovered the first usable chopper. Now such society might have left old roads to nature, still usable for some purposes but unmaintained not wasting gazillion of oil and crushed rocks with the industry behind to entertain them, gazillion of resources for bridges etc investing in light aluminum-plastic drones able to fly at the same price of an actual real car (we already have them, in tech terms and since a bit of time). City/civil panorama will be much different but in substantial terms much of actual "nightmares" (collapsing bridges, landslides, bad winter treatments on roads, ...) would be substituted by other "nightmares" but with a similar level of sustainability. Again that's in theory is much more a social issue than a tech one: we have developed a certain society around certain tech but that not means it's the only one possible at the same level of comfort and needs. Nor that's the best we can achieve. The biggest social issue is that most people and élites are with them are reactionary so fear the REAL change preferring a dummy change of anything to not change anything for real. In the end, after decades, something still going through, often in bad ways, just see actual IT compared to historic Xerox vision. Very few want to change such behavior but so far in the history they fails, almost all the time... [1] I can't find the right term in English, a room equipped for a specif purpose like a workspace...
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DoreenMichele 4y ago
"whether you're tiny, typical or tall." I love the alliteration here in place of short, average, tall. Dad is proud of this letter, the one that told him he was too innovative, even for the most Jetsons-like of dream kitchens. I think that's a cool thing to be proud of. I also wish we would kind of go in the opposite direction and find solutions that work well for most people while being simpler and having fewer moving parts, a la modern faucet design that handles both hot and cold with one handle.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Arguably the single faucet design has positives and negatives - it is easier to use (if designed right) but it also has a much more complicated "cartridge" vs a simple rubber washer.
  - hoseja 4y ago
    It also tends to be imprecise.
- userbinator 4y ago
  modern faucet design that handles both hot and cold with one handle. That's "modern" as in "late 40s"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_M._Moen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_M._Moen
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  - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
    They were very popular in the 70s as well. Funny how things go in cycles like that.
- phnofive 4y ago
  This exact line caught my attention as well - despite the author's attempts to mock the copywriter's optimism, they could sure turn a phrase.
euroderf 4y ago
Ma & Pa Kettle had their run-in with the home of the future.
JasonFruit 4y ago
I love the quotes from Khrushchev, who was clearly not naive. A kitchen race to match the space race!
contingencies 4y ago
It's funny the way things have panned out vs. the 1950s suburban utopia. Gender-wise, ladies are out working, and cooking is now for anyone. Architecturally, many houses no longer have a traditionally segregated kitchen, they instead have a shared kitchen-living space. Increasingly, many houses also no longer have a formal dining table. It is clear that in future many houses will not have any kitchen at all, instead just a sink and prep area within the living space. These changes parallel macro-trends such as reduction in family unit size, increase in rent vs own, and aging populations, which are valid across many cultures in Asia as well as the west. Recently we've seen a huge amount of money thrown in to the commodification of last-mile delivery for ready-to-eat foods globally, as well as a COVID-concentrated invest-fest in rapid groceries. Both are hitting limits. Perhaps the future is autonomous food prep, retail and delivery, because future, post-millenial, mobile and short-term-renting consumers may have reduced cooking skills, see appliance ownership as a drag, can't be bothered planning ahead for groceries for a household of 1-3, and don't own a car. Eventually cooking your own meal from scratch will be like building your own furniture: a quaint hobby for well-resourced enthusiasts. RIP, kitchen.
mnemotronic 4y ago
I've lived in condos and apartments that were smaller than that kitchen.
Corvus 4y ago
A much-better “Kitchen of the Future” article was posted on TreeHugger in 2021. Decrying kitchen designs by people who don't cook, the article referred to a lesson by the USDA about applying experience from the US Army to home kitchens; the video is available at https://youtu.be/2N9RCQjPqh4 https://youtu.be/2N9RCQjPqh4. It introduces the now-common idea of a “work triangle”; organizing everything needed to cook a meal around a single station.
rasz 4y ago
How about Monsanto's Plastic "Home of the Future" at Disneyland (1957) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ5OlY40bA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ5OlY40bA
- Tagbert 4y ago
  I remember seeing that at Disneyland. I was fascinated and excited for the future in those days.

39 points by redshirt 4y ago

userbinator 4y ago

That robotic vacuum cleaner certainly has the mid-century look.

throwaway0a5e 4y ago
I wonder if there's a market for plastic/fiberglass roomba body kits...

bombcar 4y ago

It’s interesting to me that most people, even when renovating their kitchen in a home they never intend to sell, don’t bother adjusting the counter heights to that most compatible with the user. Multiple heights are appearing in more designs now.

c22 4y ago
I put our counters on motorized standing desk hardware. My wife's ideal height and my own are no where near compatible so now we can just hit our individual preset button. Plumbing the sink was the trickiest part.
- FinnKuhn 4y ago
  This sounds a really need idea, I can't really imagine how this would look/work in reality though, especially when you are cooking together
  - bombcar 4y ago
    I surmise it'd look like a slow-motion version of an equalizer light diagram! (It practicality each would likely pick the appropriate counter to set to a height).
- reportingsjr 4y ago
  Whoa, can you provide pictures/video of this? Getting this to look nice would be a lot of work!
- pinot 4y ago
  I need to see this
throwaway0a5e 4y ago
Most people renovating their own homes are married. There's enough height difference between most married couples that trying to optimize beyond "yeah, close enough" is a fool's errand.
joezydeco 4y ago
At least in the USA, most undercounter appliances and cabinetry and designed for a common height. Anything else is custom or ADA-compliant which costs more.

aaron695 4y ago

I would say a big reason air fryers have become so successful is you don't have to bend down like an oven to use or clean. Air fryers are a good example of a post-internet kitchen change. There's nothing obviously logical about air fryers in a lot of houses. I'll use mine over my far more advanced, self cleaning oven whenever I can. Looking after your back is also big in this kitchen, which is interesting. But in the end it wasn't at the project stage for ovens, it seems it was a modular device end users could buy.

graftak 4y ago
Where I’m from most people have built-in ovens where the bottom is just above counter top height, making it way more convenient to deal with. The vogue thing now is to even have dishwashers in high cabinets so they can be placed at a more ergonomic height.
pixl97 4y ago
In most houses the oven takes much more time in relation to the amount of food cooked. When I'm cooking for 2, the air dryer gets used heavily. When I'm cooking for the full family it's the oven. This would also correspond with the decrease in average family size over time.
theriddlr 4y ago
Air fryers are cheaper to run than ovens.

bxparks 4y ago

This Miracle Kitchen would be my Kitchen-from-Hell. Every unnecessary moving part is something that needs to be maintained, and is something that will eventually break and will need to be repaired or replaced. When I moved into my current house, I found many screws holding the hinges of the kitchen cabinet doors were loose and needed to be tightened. One hinge had become completely disconnected because its screws had stripped from the side board. The previous owners had not performed the most basic maintenance of just tightening some screws. I suspect that a motorized cupboard with motors, gears, rails, and rollers would be a maintenance nightmare. A sink that moves up and down means plumbing pipes that move, which gives me images of water leaking slowly behind the cabinet and destroying the subfloor.

kkfx 4y ago
Likely, but not necessarily: take a look at an ICE car: it's mechanical complexity is undoubtedly higher, it also operate normally under more environmental stress and for much longer time, however it's mostly very reliable compared to countless others "appliances" we have. The issue is the actual social model: we produce goods to sell them, not much to fulfill a purpose, we do buy goods with a use-and-dispose mindset not asking for "investments in $appliance", the whole house is seen as an investments, but it's content normally is considered a kind of commodity nearly no one care about and the result is cheap prices in absolute terms, far expensive in relative terms (for what they are) and overall very low quality. But that's not a tech issue, it's mostly a social issue. If we start seeing a furnished "houseplace" [1] as an asset not as a commodity things might change. In that case equipment/appliances are not just something I drop there of the shelves of a nearby vendor but something valuable I use, profiting from it, then I ask for reliable and maintainable stuff not for the cheapest because they are all the same crap so better pay less, it's overpriced anyway... A slow moving sink for instance it's not much an issue: in the past and for decades, at least in Europe we used flexible anyway to connect sink, bidet, etc, those are a rubber tube surrounded by a traced inox "tissue" with flanges on both side, sometimes with a rubber joint sometimes with a built-in PTFE permanent semi-conic joint and rarely something in between. The are the same conceptually of those used in cars and planes for hydraulic (for instance for breaks), very reliable, sometimes more than rigid ones. Also you can achieve the same result with a moving footboard under the sink able even to lift a child or an adult if needed, again it's the same principle of trucks rear hydraulic tailgate, witch is actually very reliable. The issue is the overall cost and so how people value things and how they consider them useful or not. Think about an hypothetical humans society that instead of investing gazillion of resources to build roads/roads infra (like bridge, tunnels etc) have decide to go for drones-alike flying transports as "we" have discovered the first usable chopper. Now such society might have left old roads to nature, still usable for some purposes but unmaintained not wasting gazillion of oil and crushed rocks with the industry behind to entertain them, gazillion of resources for bridges etc investing in light aluminum-plastic drones able to fly at the same price of an actual real car (we already have them, in tech terms and since a bit of time). City/civil panorama will be much different but in substantial terms much of actual "nightmares" (collapsing bridges, landslides, bad winter treatments on roads, ...) would be substituted by other "nightmares" but with a similar level of sustainability. Again that's in theory is much more a social issue than a tech one: we have developed a certain society around certain tech but that not means it's the only one possible at the same level of comfort and needs. Nor that's the best we can achieve. The biggest social issue is that most people and élites are with them are reactionary so fear the REAL change preferring a dummy change of anything to not change anything for real. In the end, after decades, something still going through, often in bad ways, just see actual IT compared to historic Xerox vision. Very few want to change such behavior but so far in the history they fails, almost all the time... [1] I can't find the right term in English, a room equipped for a specif purpose like a workspace...

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DoreenMichele 4y ago

"whether you're tiny, typical or tall." I love the alliteration here in place of short, average, tall. Dad is proud of this letter, the one that told him he was too innovative, even for the most Jetsons-like of dream kitchens. I think that's a cool thing to be proud of. I also wish we would kind of go in the opposite direction and find solutions that work well for most people while being simpler and having fewer moving parts, a la modern faucet design that handles both hot and cold with one handle.

bombcar 4y ago
Arguably the single faucet design has positives and negatives - it is easier to use (if designed right) but it also has a much more complicated "cartridge" vs a simple rubber washer.
- hoseja 4y ago
  It also tends to be imprecise.
userbinator 4y ago
modern faucet design that handles both hot and cold with one handle. That's "modern" as in "late 40s"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_M._Moen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_M._Moen
- deleted 4y ago
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- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  They were very popular in the 70s as well. Funny how things go in cycles like that.
phnofive 4y ago
This exact line caught my attention as well - despite the author's attempts to mock the copywriter's optimism, they could sure turn a phrase.

euroderf 4y ago

Ma & Pa Kettle had their run-in with the home of the future.

JasonFruit 4y ago

I love the quotes from Khrushchev, who was clearly not naive. A kitchen race to match the space race!

contingencies 4y ago

It's funny the way things have panned out vs. the 1950s suburban utopia. Gender-wise, ladies are out working, and cooking is now for anyone. Architecturally, many houses no longer have a traditionally segregated kitchen, they instead have a shared kitchen-living space. Increasingly, many houses also no longer have a formal dining table. It is clear that in future many houses will not have any kitchen at all, instead just a sink and prep area within the living space. These changes parallel macro-trends such as reduction in family unit size, increase in rent vs own, and aging populations, which are valid across many cultures in Asia as well as the west. Recently we've seen a huge amount of money thrown in to the commodification of last-mile delivery for ready-to-eat foods globally, as well as a COVID-concentrated invest-fest in rapid groceries. Both are hitting limits. Perhaps the future is autonomous food prep, retail and delivery, because future, post-millenial, mobile and short-term-renting consumers may have reduced cooking skills, see appliance ownership as a drag, can't be bothered planning ahead for groceries for a household of 1-3, and don't own a car. Eventually cooking your own meal from scratch will be like building your own furniture: a quaint hobby for well-resourced enthusiasts. RIP, kitchen.

mnemotronic 4y ago

I've lived in condos and apartments that were smaller than that kitchen.

Corvus 4y ago

A much-better “Kitchen of the Future” article was posted on TreeHugger in 2021. Decrying kitchen designs by people who don't cook, the article referred to a lesson by the USDA about applying experience from the US Army to home kitchens; the video is available at https://youtu.be/2N9RCQjPqh4 https://youtu.be/2N9RCQjPqh4. It introduces the now-common idea of a “work triangle”; organizing everything needed to cook a meal around a single station.

rasz 4y ago

How about Monsanto's Plastic "Home of the Future" at Disneyland (1957) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ5OlY40bA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NQ5OlY40bA

Tagbert 4y ago
I remember seeing that at Disneyland. I was fascinated and excited for the future in those days.