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So then it's exactly class. The number of bargaining chips you have is approximately the number you are born with. Sure, there's some Brownian motion, but it's

by 21723 4y ago

So then it's exactly class. The number of bargaining chips you have is approximately the number you are born with. Sure, there's some Brownian motion, but it's basically insubstantial except for lottery winners and lightning victims. If you're born into connections, you make more connections. If you're stuck having to work to survive, you get assigned more drudgery and never advance. It's the same shitty system that's been around for thousands of years.

barrkel 4y ago
I think you're confusing social class with Marx's proletariat (working class) vs bourgeoisie (capitalists). Your bargaining chips are determined by supply and demand. If you have stuff - money, knowledge, skill, power by virtue of organizational position - you have leverage. If you don't, you don't. Eliminating social class doesn't change this much.
- 21723 4y ago
  Your analysis is wrong. The people with connections and serious money do not meaningfully compete against their own class (at least, they ensure that their intra-group competition does not benefit anyone outside their group). The people with skills, knowledge, and work ethic have to compete against the whole world. It is not a symmetric or fair exchange.
  - urthor 4y ago
    You're making a broad comparison between the Marxian classes. But within capitalists there is also always the noveau riche and the old money. You have to be self aware of that dynamic. Because playing off old money vs noveau riche is as essential tool of the proletariat.
- 8note 4y ago
  Your bargaining chips in terms of valueable knowledge and skills are still low class. You're still bargaining for your meal and shelter.
  - chii 4y ago
    if you have skill and knowledge that others don't, but others need, then you can bargain for your meals and shelter very efficiently - so much so that there would be left over money.

by 21723 4y ago

barrkel 4y ago

I think you're confusing social class with Marx's proletariat (working class) vs bourgeoisie (capitalists). Your bargaining chips are determined by supply and demand. If you have stuff - money, knowledge, skill, power by virtue of organizational position - you have leverage. If you don't, you don't. Eliminating social class doesn't change this much.

21723 4y ago
Your analysis is wrong. The people with connections and serious money do not meaningfully compete against their own class (at least, they ensure that their intra-group competition does not benefit anyone outside their group). The people with skills, knowledge, and work ethic have to compete against the whole world. It is not a symmetric or fair exchange.
- urthor 4y ago
  You're making a broad comparison between the Marxian classes. But within capitalists there is also always the noveau riche and the old money. You have to be self aware of that dynamic. Because playing off old money vs noveau riche is as essential tool of the proletariat.
8note 4y ago
Your bargaining chips in terms of valueable knowledge and skills are still low class. You're still bargaining for your meal and shelter.
- chii 4y ago
  if you have skill and knowledge that others don't, but others need, then you can bargain for your meals and shelter very efficiently - so much so that there would be left over money.