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Should have put that on the title I mean, it's already kind of stupid to want to avoid something the whole industry uses, from big tech to startups. In particu

by cruano 5y ago

Should have put that on the title I mean, it's already kind of stupid to want to avoid something the whole industry uses, from big tech to startups. In particular, when you have a very hard set of requirements that historically no one gets right except for you know who.

bluefirebrand 5y ago
> I mean, it's already kind of stupid to want to avoid something the whole industry uses, from big tech to startups Windows still owns the market to a substantial degree, Macos is still a niche OS. Maybe you've seen a trend of software companies moving to Macos, but it's definitely not the standard by any means.
- rileyphone 5y ago
  That's not entirely true these days, Mac market share has gone up from 5% to ~15% in the last 10 years while Windows sits on its hands. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202203 https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...
  - thawaya3113 5y ago
    Which still means that more than 5 out of 6 computers are not Macs. Which is as diametrically opposite of the industry standard as you can get.
  - bluefirebrand 5y ago
    I'm not sure how you can look at Windows: 75% MacOs: 15% and then try and dispute what I said. Those numbers aren't even close. Sure, maybe MacOs is growing, and less niche than it used to be. I'm not disputing that. But come on here.
- mmis1000 5y ago
  Mac is probably a good dev machine. But for production and service…? I don't think so. It is currently the most unstable system I ever met. I need to reboot it due to completely un-addressable memory leak and lag (the cpu is idle, the memory isn't starved, disk don't really have much io and it still lags) from time to time if I keep it on for a long time.
- cruano 5y ago
  Have you ever been to a FAANG office ? Or anything in San Francisco for that matter, in my time in PayPal only one dude in the whole office had a windows machine
  - bluefirebrand 5y ago
    Have you ever been to an office outside of the FAANG / Silicon Valley Startup Bubble? You won't see a Mac almost anywhere. The numbers don't lie. Windows is more widely used than MacOS right now, period. And it's not even close. Maybe that is starting to change, maybe we're in for another round of companies going "This is what they do at Google" and playing follow the leader. Maybe. But that's not the conversation we're having. If you want to have that conversation, make those points. Not this "but it's what FAANG uses" appeal to authority nonsense.
oauea 5y ago
It's interesting how cult-like mac users are.
- banal00 5y ago
  Linux user base is far more cultish. For one, they collaborate for free over high minded concepts and lol at outsiders who don’t know their incantations. Cults were never paying their people, and like to demean outsiders. So there’s that.
- kibwen 5y ago
  Apple is a luxury fashion company and Apple hardware is a way for people to express social status, which means convincing as many other people as possible that Apple is desirable in order to elevate the effectiveness of their social status signaling. It's the same as any other luxury fashion brand, e.g. Louis Vuitton. The value is not in the function of the product itself, but in the perception of status that it engenders.
  - brimble 5y ago
    I felt the way you do for the entire decade of the '00s. Then I started a job that issued me a MacBook Pro. And got to see, use, and develop for, a shitload of Android and iOS devices, both phones and tablets. Turns out I'd just never given them a chance. But yes, I'm sure Apple users are just dumber than you, and that's all it is.
    - thawaya3113 5y ago
      The thread is in the context of Apple users insisting that the OP should use a Mac, when the OP has explicitly stated that it does not fit their needs.
      - brimble 5y ago
        Sure, that's silly, agreed. BS about Apple being a "fashion company" isn't really helping, though.
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Ragnarork 5y ago
> something the whole industry uses Citation needed. With actual stats to back it up. The reasonable answer at the end of the day remains > Cool, use what works for you. There are use cases where Macs are useless or such a PITA to work with (ugh native compilation), others where they're kinda necessary (i.e. iOS development), and there's been no info about this from OP, so the most reasonable thing to do is still to acknowledge they have a good reason, and stop forcing Macs into the suggestions, even more so by using baseless arguments.

by cruano 5y ago

bluefirebrand 5y ago

> I mean, it's already kind of stupid to want to avoid something the whole industry uses, from big tech to startups Windows still owns the market to a substantial degree, Macos is still a niche OS. Maybe you've seen a trend of software companies moving to Macos, but it's definitely not the standard by any means.

rileyphone 5y ago
That's not entirely true these days, Mac market share has gone up from 5% to ~15% in the last 10 years while Windows sits on its hands. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202203 https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...
- thawaya3113 5y ago
  Which still means that more than 5 out of 6 computers are not Macs. Which is as diametrically opposite of the industry standard as you can get.
- bluefirebrand 5y ago
  I'm not sure how you can look at Windows: 75% MacOs: 15% and then try and dispute what I said. Those numbers aren't even close. Sure, maybe MacOs is growing, and less niche than it used to be. I'm not disputing that. But come on here.
mmis1000 5y ago
Mac is probably a good dev machine. But for production and service…? I don't think so. It is currently the most unstable system I ever met. I need to reboot it due to completely un-addressable memory leak and lag (the cpu is idle, the memory isn't starved, disk don't really have much io and it still lags) from time to time if I keep it on for a long time.
cruano 5y ago
Have you ever been to a FAANG office ? Or anything in San Francisco for that matter, in my time in PayPal only one dude in the whole office had a windows machine
- bluefirebrand 5y ago
  Have you ever been to an office outside of the FAANG / Silicon Valley Startup Bubble? You won't see a Mac almost anywhere. The numbers don't lie. Windows is more widely used than MacOS right now, period. And it's not even close. Maybe that is starting to change, maybe we're in for another round of companies going "This is what they do at Google" and playing follow the leader. Maybe. But that's not the conversation we're having. If you want to have that conversation, make those points. Not this "but it's what FAANG uses" appeal to authority nonsense.

oauea 5y ago

It's interesting how cult-like mac users are.

banal00 5y ago
Linux user base is far more cultish. For one, they collaborate for free over high minded concepts and lol at outsiders who don’t know their incantations. Cults were never paying their people, and like to demean outsiders. So there’s that.
kibwen 5y ago
Apple is a luxury fashion company and Apple hardware is a way for people to express social status, which means convincing as many other people as possible that Apple is desirable in order to elevate the effectiveness of their social status signaling. It's the same as any other luxury fashion brand, e.g. Louis Vuitton. The value is not in the function of the product itself, but in the perception of status that it engenders.
- brimble 5y ago
  I felt the way you do for the entire decade of the '00s. Then I started a job that issued me a MacBook Pro. And got to see, use, and develop for, a shitload of Android and iOS devices, both phones and tablets. Turns out I'd just never given them a chance. But yes, I'm sure Apple users are just dumber than you, and that's all it is.
  - thawaya3113 5y ago
    The thread is in the context of Apple users insisting that the OP should use a Mac, when the OP has explicitly stated that it does not fit their needs.
    - brimble 5y ago
      Sure, that's silly, agreed. BS about Apple being a "fashion company" isn't really helping, though.

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Ragnarork 5y ago

> something the whole industry uses Citation needed. With actual stats to back it up. The reasonable answer at the end of the day remains > Cool, use what works for you. There are use cases where Macs are useless or such a PITA to work with (ugh native compilation), others where they're kinda necessary (i.e. iOS development), and there's been no info about this from OP, so the most reasonable thing to do is still to acknowledge they have a good reason, and stop forcing Macs into the suggestions, even more so by using baseless arguments.