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+1 for own Linux distro. Apple always had the advantage of controlling both the hardware and the software. Also, in the Linux space, I had amazing experience

by ibz 4y ago

+1 for own Linux distro. Apple always had the advantage of controlling both the hardware and the software. Also, in the Linux space, I had amazing experience with Raspberry Pi OS. Not only that it works well out of the box, but being the OS most people use on that specific hardware makes searching for answers to any issues much easier. Ideally though it would be as close as possible to an existing distro and only include patches needed for good Framework support.

pvsukale3 4y ago
Yes, that could be easier to rather develop it from scratch.
amelius 4y ago
> +1 for own Linux distro. It's a bad idea to force users to use one distro. There are many users who run NixOS, and others prefer Ubuntu, or even Gentoo. > Apple always had the advantage of controlling both the hardware and the software. Controlling my own hardware is exactly what I look for when buying a laptop.
samhw 4y ago
> Apple always had the advantage of controlling both the hardware and the software. And this is exactly why anyone who likes that approach can & will buy an Apple laptop. Framework is clearly going for the opposite of that market. Instead of being a (necessarily) worse clone of Apple, I think it makes sense for them to cater to the market they are clearly aimed at, which is not people who are happy with a walled-garden system.
- ibz 4y ago
  How is having the option, besides Windows, to order the laptop preinstalled with a default, well tuned and well supported Linux distro a "walled garden"? Also, most patches in this distro would presumably end up merged upstream anyway.
  - samhw 4y ago
    I was referring to the prospect of their spending time working on their own distro, at the expense (considering the finitude of human lifespans etc) of supporting others. As with so many arguments, your point makes total sense until you consider that human effort is a finite resource.

by ibz 4y ago

pvsukale3 4y ago

Yes, that could be easier to rather develop it from scratch.

amelius 4y ago

> +1 for own Linux distro. It's a bad idea to force users to use one distro. There are many users who run NixOS, and others prefer Ubuntu, or even Gentoo. > Apple always had the advantage of controlling both the hardware and the software. Controlling my own hardware is exactly what I look for when buying a laptop.

samhw 4y ago

> Apple always had the advantage of controlling both the hardware and the software. And this is exactly why anyone who likes that approach can & will buy an Apple laptop. Framework is clearly going for the opposite of that market. Instead of being a (necessarily) worse clone of Apple, I think it makes sense for them to cater to the market they are clearly aimed at, which is not people who are happy with a walled-garden system.

ibz 4y ago
How is having the option, besides Windows, to order the laptop preinstalled with a default, well tuned and well supported Linux distro a "walled garden"? Also, most patches in this distro would presumably end up merged upstream anyway.
- samhw 4y ago
  I was referring to the prospect of their spending time working on their own distro, at the expense (considering the finitude of human lifespans etc) of supporting others. As with so many arguments, your point makes total sense until you consider that human effort is a finite resource.