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So my understanding is this is an account that simply reposts (unedited) hyper-liberal/leftist videos uploaded to tik tok? How exactly was this a problem? Mea

by zionic 4y ago

So my understanding is this is an account that simply reposts (unedited) hyper-liberal/leftist videos uploaded to tik tok? How exactly was this a problem? Meanwhile, the implications here are scary. If you’re truly wanting to be a social dissident vs the establishment these days they can’t see your IP/cookies/keychain. You’ll need a totally fresh device/iCloud account and never interact with these services without a VPN via VPS, maybe more than that. I suppose if you get too big of a following some NSA boomerbot will leak your life’s story to NYT despite these protections.

sascha_sl 4y ago
Not advocating for censorship here, but isn't the problem obvious? Making cringe compilations of the "other side" crates a distorted selective image. One that is easier to dismiss and hate. With how humans process information, it's essentially equivalent to misinformation. It's not anything new or innovative though, "SJW cringe compilations" have been popular for the last decade. But they created some people with a really warped understanding of social justice movements, and I know because sometimes I make the mistake of arguing with them.
- zionic 4y ago
  Ok? So make a redneck cringe compilation. I’m sure plenty of those exist on YouTube. Hell we have “idiots in cars #63767” going strong. The difference is powerful politically-connected groups don’t start hunting you down via insider baseball like this if you make fun of the right people.
  - sascha_sl 4y ago
    The answer to misinformation is not more misinformation; that aside, it's not usually the left who claims the "free marketplace of ideas" will sort everything out.
    - zionic 4y ago
      Wouldn’t your viewpoint ban all the left wing comedians? Wait, ok I agree with you now.
  - true_religion 4y ago
    Disambgiuating who is who, gives you this idea: powerful well connected groups hunt you down if you make fun of them. Obviously if you attack someone, there is going to be some repercussion. If you are like me, and have no stake in this fight, then why defend either side?
- oefrha 4y ago
  > Making cringe compilations of the "other side" crates a distorted selective image. That’s what almost every single media outlet has been doing about enemy/unfriendly foreign states since forever. People seem to be completely fine with that.
  - sascha_sl 4y ago
    That's very unspecific, but in a "you seem to be thinking of something specific" way. I'm not sure what your point is, most people who watch Libs of Tik Tok also seem completely fine with that. I didn't say humans are not biased, in fact I said they're too biased.
    - oefrha 4y ago
      The point is making cringe compilations (figuratively speaking) to create distorted selective images is literally among the MOs of WaPo and the like. Libs of TikTok is a more extreme, less disguised and closer to home version of that.
      - sascha_sl 4y ago
        Narrativizing is always part of media. You figure that one out without even trying as a trans person, fact checking studies is one of the more frequent activities when I argue with people. Most are resistant to it to the point where they lock down into "everyone who disagrees with me is biased", which is probably actually true (without the "who disagrees with me" part), but their weighing is once again informed by their bias. And often it is impossible to untangle. Libs of Tik Tok, other than most media outlets, makes this much worse. In my experience, the number of things reported that didn't happen or are outright misinfo in my field are overwhelmingly far right sources, sometimes trickling down into rainbow press (ironicly named so) or more serious center-left outlets.
- yucky 4y ago
  >Making cringe compilations of the "other side" crates a distorted selective image. Isn't this essentially all Reddit is at this point though? And to a lesser extent, leftwing media and rightwing media do the same. How often will CNN or FOX have a coherent debate with knowledgeable people representing differing sides of an issue?
ycombinator_acc 4y ago
If you bothered to look at it you'd see it doesn't just repost the videos. It frames them in a very negative way. It's also very popular if you look at the amount of activity under every post. The worst part is Fox News routinely use them (a Twitter account, mind you) as the source for their news pieces.
- zionic 4y ago
  > If you bothered to look at it you'd see it doesn't just repost the videos. It frames them in a very negative way. Are they or are they not copies of content posted by the original authors of them speaking in their own words about topics they chose? If I film a video of myself in a furry costume espousing the virtues of the red army and post it for all the world to see I can’t complain when I end up on someone’s cringe compilation. Taking a step back, listen to what you’re saying. In essence, it’s just that we devote the resources of national media orgs to unmasking pseudonymous social media users who don’t… _frame_ things in ways the establishment would like? >Fox News Who cares about them?
  - ycombinator_acc 4y ago
    They are not. Like I said, they add their own framing. Sure, you can't complain. But it's sad wearing some costume wins you a spot on a cringe comp whereas being discriminatory toward groups of people doesn't just get ridiculed but is actively celebrated. I'm not talking about the establishment or defending doxxing. I'm responding to your original comment on "how this is a problem." The account owner shouldn't have been deanonymized, but the account shouldn't have been so popular to begin with. Fox news is the biggest news network by far, so lots of people care.
    - disgu 4y ago
      But the question was whether the videos are edited. Are they? I don't know the account and don't care for the content posted but this is a pretty important distinction.
      - 4y ago

by zionic 4y ago

sascha_sl 4y ago

Not advocating for censorship here, but isn't the problem obvious? Making cringe compilations of the "other side" crates a distorted selective image. One that is easier to dismiss and hate. With how humans process information, it's essentially equivalent to misinformation. It's not anything new or innovative though, "SJW cringe compilations" have been popular for the last decade. But they created some people with a really warped understanding of social justice movements, and I know because sometimes I make the mistake of arguing with them.

zionic 4y ago
Ok? So make a redneck cringe compilation. I’m sure plenty of those exist on YouTube. Hell we have “idiots in cars #63767” going strong. The difference is powerful politically-connected groups don’t start hunting you down via insider baseball like this if you make fun of the right people.
- sascha_sl 4y ago
  The answer to misinformation is not more misinformation; that aside, it's not usually the left who claims the "free marketplace of ideas" will sort everything out.
  - zionic 4y ago
    Wouldn’t your viewpoint ban all the left wing comedians? Wait, ok I agree with you now.
- true_religion 4y ago
  Disambgiuating who is who, gives you this idea: powerful well connected groups hunt you down if you make fun of them. Obviously if you attack someone, there is going to be some repercussion. If you are like me, and have no stake in this fight, then why defend either side?
oefrha 4y ago
> Making cringe compilations of the "other side" crates a distorted selective image. That’s what almost every single media outlet has been doing about enemy/unfriendly foreign states since forever. People seem to be completely fine with that.
- sascha_sl 4y ago
  That's very unspecific, but in a "you seem to be thinking of something specific" way. I'm not sure what your point is, most people who watch Libs of Tik Tok also seem completely fine with that. I didn't say humans are not biased, in fact I said they're too biased.
  - oefrha 4y ago
    The point is making cringe compilations (figuratively speaking) to create distorted selective images is literally among the MOs of WaPo and the like. Libs of TikTok is a more extreme, less disguised and closer to home version of that.
    - sascha_sl 4y ago
      Narrativizing is always part of media. You figure that one out without even trying as a trans person, fact checking studies is one of the more frequent activities when I argue with people. Most are resistant to it to the point where they lock down into "everyone who disagrees with me is biased", which is probably actually true (without the "who disagrees with me" part), but their weighing is once again informed by their bias. And often it is impossible to untangle. Libs of Tik Tok, other than most media outlets, makes this much worse. In my experience, the number of things reported that didn't happen or are outright misinfo in my field are overwhelmingly far right sources, sometimes trickling down into rainbow press (ironicly named so) or more serious center-left outlets.
yucky 4y ago
>Making cringe compilations of the "other side" crates a distorted selective image. Isn't this essentially all Reddit is at this point though? And to a lesser extent, leftwing media and rightwing media do the same. How often will CNN or FOX have a coherent debate with knowledgeable people representing differing sides of an issue?

ycombinator_acc 4y ago

If you bothered to look at it you'd see it doesn't just repost the videos. It frames them in a very negative way. It's also very popular if you look at the amount of activity under every post. The worst part is Fox News routinely use them (a Twitter account, mind you) as the source for their news pieces.

zionic 4y ago
> If you bothered to look at it you'd see it doesn't just repost the videos. It frames them in a very negative way. Are they or are they not copies of content posted by the original authors of them speaking in their own words about topics they chose? If I film a video of myself in a furry costume espousing the virtues of the red army and post it for all the world to see I can’t complain when I end up on someone’s cringe compilation. Taking a step back, listen to what you’re saying. In essence, it’s just that we devote the resources of national media orgs to unmasking pseudonymous social media users who don’t… _frame_ things in ways the establishment would like? >Fox News Who cares about them?
- ycombinator_acc 4y ago
  They are not. Like I said, they add their own framing. Sure, you can't complain. But it's sad wearing some costume wins you a spot on a cringe comp whereas being discriminatory toward groups of people doesn't just get ridiculed but is actively celebrated. I'm not talking about the establishment or defending doxxing. I'm responding to your original comment on "how this is a problem." The account owner shouldn't have been deanonymized, but the account shouldn't have been so popular to begin with. Fox news is the biggest news network by far, so lots of people care.
  - disgu 4y ago
    But the question was whether the videos are edited. Are they? I don't know the account and don't care for the content posted but this is a pretty important distinction.
    - 4y ago