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I take it you haven't taken a look at backend lately. Vagrant? Or Docker? Composer? Maybe Drush. Will this plugin break? Is it even still actively maintained? W

I take it you haven't taken a look at backend lately. Vagrant? Or Docker? Composer? Maybe Drush. Will this plugin break? Is it even still actively maintained? Which database? Are we still on the NoSQL fad? Maria, or postgres or mysql? And does my production host support my language version, and oh god another php vulnerability

gmfawcett 5y ago
There's maybe two of those questions that you actually have to care about as an architect. Nobody's forcing you to chase fashions except you.
yen223 5y ago
Frontend folks have an excuse. They cannot avoid using JavaScript, since they're limited by what browsers support. Backend developers chose to write mountains of yaml
- qpiox 5y ago
  I am a proponent of server-side, use Apache Tapestry for most production apps and have only one yaml file in all the projects.
- richwater 5y ago
  I recall a couple of years ago when Kubernetes was all the rage and jesus christ the amount of YAML was unbelievable.
Daishiman 5y ago
I have done nothing but backend for a decade. Docker's been around for the past 6 years and still going strong. Database? Postgres, always. You have to bend it so far until it breaks it's not even funny. If you need something else, you'll now. Backend lang? Python. Framework? Django. Need data munging? NumPy/SciPy/Pandas/PySpark. Need a really high speed component? C will do, Rust if you feel fancy. OS? Ubuntu, or Debian. They'll do well. Again, you need to have really, really good reasons to use anything else. Of course there's alternatives! But there is absolutely no reason to move away from this stack. For some reason frontend developers seem to be either on a constant treadmill of moving technologies, or being stuck with subpar old tech with clear deficiencies.
- robertoandred 5y ago
  So React has been around longer than Docker? Good to know that frontend is on a slower treadmill than backend, which according to this thread has moved on to alpine or htmx or something else.
  - ryanbrunner 5y ago
    React is for sure a relatively stable part of frontend, but the ecosystem around it seems to be building mountains of complexity on top of React.
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    React's ideas of best practices and library ecosystem have sure changed way more.
ryanbrunner 5y ago
I dunno man, my "backend architecture" is a bunch of Rails servers (some web servers, some queue servers, but they run on the same codebase with different entrypoints), a PostgreSQL server, and a Redis server.

gmfawcett 5y ago

There's maybe two of those questions that you actually have to care about as an architect. Nobody's forcing you to chase fashions except you.

yen223 5y ago

Frontend folks have an excuse. They cannot avoid using JavaScript, since they're limited by what browsers support. Backend developers chose to write mountains of yaml

qpiox 5y ago
I am a proponent of server-side, use Apache Tapestry for most production apps and have only one yaml file in all the projects.
richwater 5y ago
I recall a couple of years ago when Kubernetes was all the rage and jesus christ the amount of YAML was unbelievable.

Daishiman 5y ago

I have done nothing but backend for a decade. Docker's been around for the past 6 years and still going strong. Database? Postgres, always. You have to bend it so far until it breaks it's not even funny. If you need something else, you'll now. Backend lang? Python. Framework? Django. Need data munging? NumPy/SciPy/Pandas/PySpark. Need a really high speed component? C will do, Rust if you feel fancy. OS? Ubuntu, or Debian. They'll do well. Again, you need to have really, really good reasons to use anything else. Of course there's alternatives! But there is absolutely no reason to move away from this stack. For some reason frontend developers seem to be either on a constant treadmill of moving technologies, or being stuck with subpar old tech with clear deficiencies.

robertoandred 5y ago
So React has been around longer than Docker? Good to know that frontend is on a slower treadmill than backend, which according to this thread has moved on to alpine or htmx or something else.
- ryanbrunner 5y ago
  React is for sure a relatively stable part of frontend, but the ecosystem around it seems to be building mountains of complexity on top of React.
- Daishiman 5y ago
  React's ideas of best practices and library ecosystem have sure changed way more.

ryanbrunner 5y ago

I dunno man, my "backend architecture" is a bunch of Rails servers (some web servers, some queue servers, but they run on the same codebase with different entrypoints), a PostgreSQL server, and a Redis server.