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>> every day that nintendo doesn't make it simple and available for people to play all the games from the past Due to licensing, this isn’t possible. So there‘

>> every day that nintendo doesn't make it simple and available for people to play all the games from the past Due to licensing, this isn’t possible. So there‘a going to be an infinite amount more days like this.

Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago
Even just supporting first-party titles would go a long way. In the particular case of Nintendo, many, if not most, of the most universally acclaimed classics are first-party games.
- mattl 4y ago
  What first party NES and SNES games are you missing from NSO?
  - mathgeek 4y ago
    The games in question are for handheld systems (Game Boy and Game Boy Advance, specifically).
    - mattl 4y ago
      Seems like the sentiment is that Nintendo should have all their first party titles available.
  - initplus 4y ago
    Why would any sane consumer purchase those games when Nintendo has no track record of honoring purchases? Nintendo aggressively cuts off access to consumers past purchases in the hopes that they buy the same retro games again on the new system. Not just by not sharing retro game purchases between systems, but also not even letting consumers still download their purchases on older systems. It's like buying a book that's set to self-destruct a decade from now - no sane consumer would buy such a product.
    - mattl 4y ago
      I bought a couple of Virtual Console games on the Wii. Those same games were transferred to my Wii U system with an SD card. The same games are now included on the Nintendo Switch Online service and many others too.
      - maybeOneDay 4y ago
        Which is to say: you had to wait for years for them to come out on Switch, and then pay again. Forever.
        mattl 4y ago
        No, I’m pretty sure they were available very early after I bought the Switch console. Maybe within a year? Late 2006 I bought the Wii and then the Wii U in 2014 and now I pay the family plan at maybe $70 a year? Doesn’t seem different to buying songs on iTunes in 2006 and now paying for Apple Music every month now.
        maybeOneDay 4y ago
        It was 18 months between launch of the Switch and of NSO, so we can split the difference :) I disagree. You should as far as I'm aware be able to still use those songs
        mattl 4y ago
        Depending on where you live it’s very possible iTunes songs had DRM in 2006 so you’re limited to playing those everywhere. Does anyone do this as you’d like to see it with software? Maybe Valve?
        maybeOneDay 4y ago
        I agree that DRM isn't ideal either. Well, it's not that anyone is necessarily perfect. But the other major console players certainly seem better - if I bought a PS4 game a few years ago then I can reasonably expect to still play it on PS6 and probably onwards. X360 games have been brought back to life by MSoft. Steam is generally pretty good yeah but it doesn't have the issue of consecutive consoles to deal with.
CobrastanJorji 4y ago
Okay, sure, there are plenty of great old games that Nintendo doesn't own, but there are also many properties that Nintendo has complete ownership of and can easily make more available. They can definitely lower the wall on those.
- bduerst 4y ago
  Isn't this what Nintendo is already doing with hundreds of games? https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/2021/the-classic-game-library-reaches-100-games-for-nintendo-switch-online-members/ https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/2021/the-classic-ga...
  - CobrastanJorji 4y ago
    Sure. But you can't buy them. You can only get them if you sign up for their monthly service, "Nintendo Switch Online." And you can't have all of them. You can only get the N64 games if you sign up for the separately monthly. "Expansion Pack" service. And you can't play them on multiple profiles. Your son can only play Mario 64 on his profile if you sign up for the "Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack + Family Pack" subscription, which is about $80 per year. It's so expensive because they bundled it with a bunch of other stuff (hooray now I can also play Switch games online and I have access to the latest patch for Animal Crossing and some extra tracks for Mario Kart). But I just wanted to let my son Mario 64, and $80 per year is too much for that.
    - bduerst 4y ago
      Pricing is a different complaint from hoarding copyrighted classics though. Sure, Nintendo isn't pricing their franchises at the price point you want, but in context to the discussion they're at least re-releasing what they can and making them accessible. (And if it was really about letting your son play Super Mario World, you can pay $8 and he can play it for three months)
      - deadbeeves 4y ago
konfusinomicon 4y ago
an unfortunate reality indeed. and the worst part is, that the ones who hold the license are the ones really missing out. And us peons are banished back to launchbox land, to so many games that even just the act of nostalgically scrolling through them is enough entertainment for an evening

Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago

Even just supporting first-party titles would go a long way. In the particular case of Nintendo, many, if not most, of the most universally acclaimed classics are first-party games.

mattl 4y ago
What first party NES and SNES games are you missing from NSO?
- mathgeek 4y ago
  The games in question are for handheld systems (Game Boy and Game Boy Advance, specifically).
  - mattl 4y ago
    Seems like the sentiment is that Nintendo should have all their first party titles available.
- initplus 4y ago
  Why would any sane consumer purchase those games when Nintendo has no track record of honoring purchases? Nintendo aggressively cuts off access to consumers past purchases in the hopes that they buy the same retro games again on the new system. Not just by not sharing retro game purchases between systems, but also not even letting consumers still download their purchases on older systems. It's like buying a book that's set to self-destruct a decade from now - no sane consumer would buy such a product.
  - mattl 4y ago
    I bought a couple of Virtual Console games on the Wii. Those same games were transferred to my Wii U system with an SD card. The same games are now included on the Nintendo Switch Online service and many others too.
    - maybeOneDay 4y ago
      Which is to say: you had to wait for years for them to come out on Switch, and then pay again. Forever.
      - mattl 4y ago
        No, I’m pretty sure they were available very early after I bought the Switch console. Maybe within a year? Late 2006 I bought the Wii and then the Wii U in 2014 and now I pay the family plan at maybe $70 a year? Doesn’t seem different to buying songs on iTunes in 2006 and now paying for Apple Music every month now.
        maybeOneDay 4y ago
        It was 18 months between launch of the Switch and of NSO, so we can split the difference :) I disagree. You should as far as I'm aware be able to still use those songs
        mattl 4y ago
        Depending on where you live it’s very possible iTunes songs had DRM in 2006 so you’re limited to playing those everywhere. Does anyone do this as you’d like to see it with software? Maybe Valve?
        maybeOneDay 4y ago
        I agree that DRM isn't ideal either. Well, it's not that anyone is necessarily perfect. But the other major console players certainly seem better - if I bought a PS4 game a few years ago then I can reasonably expect to still play it on PS6 and probably onwards. X360 games have been brought back to life by MSoft. Steam is generally pretty good yeah but it doesn't have the issue of consecutive consoles to deal with.

CobrastanJorji 4y ago

Okay, sure, there are plenty of great old games that Nintendo doesn't own, but there are also many properties that Nintendo has complete ownership of and can easily make more available. They can definitely lower the wall on those.

bduerst 4y ago
Isn't this what Nintendo is already doing with hundreds of games? https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/2021/the-classic-game-library-reaches-100-games-for-nintendo-switch-online-members/ https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/2021/the-classic-ga...
- CobrastanJorji 4y ago
  Sure. But you can't buy them. You can only get them if you sign up for their monthly service, "Nintendo Switch Online." And you can't have all of them. You can only get the N64 games if you sign up for the separately monthly. "Expansion Pack" service. And you can't play them on multiple profiles. Your son can only play Mario 64 on his profile if you sign up for the "Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack + Family Pack" subscription, which is about $80 per year. It's so expensive because they bundled it with a bunch of other stuff (hooray now I can also play Switch games online and I have access to the latest patch for Animal Crossing and some extra tracks for Mario Kart). But I just wanted to let my son Mario 64, and $80 per year is too much for that.
  - bduerst 4y ago
    Pricing is a different complaint from hoarding copyrighted classics though. Sure, Nintendo isn't pricing their franchises at the price point you want, but in context to the discussion they're at least re-releasing what they can and making them accessible. (And if it was really about letting your son play Super Mario World, you can pay $8 and he can play it for three months)
    - deadbeeves 4y ago

konfusinomicon 4y ago

an unfortunate reality indeed. and the worst part is, that the ones who hold the license are the ones really missing out. And us peons are banished back to launchbox land, to so many games that even just the act of nostalgically scrolling through them is enough entertainment for an evening