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Could a better thought out measure achieve the same goals? How would you do it? I feel a strong tax on houses you don't personally live in (because you rent th

Could a better thought out measure achieve the same goals? How would you do it? I feel a strong tax on houses you don't personally live in (because you rent them or because you're a company) could be efficient, but I'd love to hear other people's take on the subject.

pards 5y ago
The sale of investment properties is already subject to capital gains tax.
- powellzer 5y ago
  Which is an incentive to not sell and instead take out a low interest loan using the properties as collateral. Many cities do have a Homestead exemption which reduces the real estate tax for primary residences.
- joelthelion 5y ago
  I mean a strong yearly tax on home ownership with an exemption for primary residences.
  - chii 5y ago
    Why should investment properties be taxed worse than say, stocks? If property is expensive, it means there's a demand for it. The price is a good signal that the area needs more properties built. It's only the gov't (local gov't perhaps, or NIMBYs) that are stopping it from happening. Raising taxes isn't going to fix the problem. It only forces existing investors who are on the margins to get pushed out.
    - joelthelion 5y ago
      > Why should investment properties be taxed worse than say, stocks Because they are a fundamental human need, and in limited supply. Good land is fundamentally limited. You can't build more of it.
      - chii 5y ago
        > they are a fundamental human need shelter is a fundamental need, not the desire to own an asset. You do not need to purchase, as renting is much cheaper (esp. at current asset prices). And while you cannot create more land (tho tell the dutch that!), you can build more dense. And in an area of growing population, this might be a good solution, as demonstrated in many other cities. However, people who would prefer a single family home with a backyard must be prepared to pay a premium for this privilege. And my proposal of more investment will indeed help alleviate the lack of shelter by incentivizing more to be built! Taking away investment money for it will only mean a different group losing out vs the existing group. Policies shouldn't decide winners and losers - policies should be made win-win.
        the_only_law 5y ago
        > you can build more dense. And in an area of growing population, this might be a good solution, as demonstrated in many other cities. All the places I’ve lived with growing populations recently have taught me they will probably do the opposite.
      - joejerryronnie 5y ago
        It is not a fundamental human need to live in a super cute townhome in a hot walkable neighborhood near lots of other people you’d like to socialize with. If you want free housing, it’s out there, just not where you want it.
- Tiktaalik 5y ago
  Only 50% of the gain included for taxation. One could include more (say 75%). They could also bring in additional property transfer taxes for reach home, taxing people more for each additional property they buy. Singapore does this.
azepoi 5y ago
I think Switzerland requires some swiss ownership threshold. From the top of my head it's over 50% owned by the end natural/physical persons. Even trough shell corporations. Otherwise hike the tax on real estate while reducing at the same time taxes on local residents.
thrwy_ywrht 5y ago
> Could a better thought out measure achieve the same goals? How would you do it? It's a problem that needs to be solved on the supply side. Trying to solve it on the demand side is like trying to damn a river with a sieve.
coffeeblack 5y ago
So increase the rent to offset the tax.

pards 5y ago

The sale of investment properties is already subject to capital gains tax.

powellzer 5y ago
Which is an incentive to not sell and instead take out a low interest loan using the properties as collateral. Many cities do have a Homestead exemption which reduces the real estate tax for primary residences.
joelthelion 5y ago
I mean a strong yearly tax on home ownership with an exemption for primary residences.
- chii 5y ago
  Why should investment properties be taxed worse than say, stocks? If property is expensive, it means there's a demand for it. The price is a good signal that the area needs more properties built. It's only the gov't (local gov't perhaps, or NIMBYs) that are stopping it from happening. Raising taxes isn't going to fix the problem. It only forces existing investors who are on the margins to get pushed out.
  - joelthelion 5y ago
    > Why should investment properties be taxed worse than say, stocks Because they are a fundamental human need, and in limited supply. Good land is fundamentally limited. You can't build more of it.
    - chii 5y ago
      > they are a fundamental human need shelter is a fundamental need, not the desire to own an asset. You do not need to purchase, as renting is much cheaper (esp. at current asset prices). And while you cannot create more land (tho tell the dutch that!), you can build more dense. And in an area of growing population, this might be a good solution, as demonstrated in many other cities. However, people who would prefer a single family home with a backyard must be prepared to pay a premium for this privilege. And my proposal of more investment will indeed help alleviate the lack of shelter by incentivizing more to be built! Taking away investment money for it will only mean a different group losing out vs the existing group. Policies shouldn't decide winners and losers - policies should be made win-win.
      - the_only_law 5y ago
        > you can build more dense. And in an area of growing population, this might be a good solution, as demonstrated in many other cities. All the places I’ve lived with growing populations recently have taught me they will probably do the opposite.
    - joejerryronnie 5y ago
      It is not a fundamental human need to live in a super cute townhome in a hot walkable neighborhood near lots of other people you’d like to socialize with. If you want free housing, it’s out there, just not where you want it.
Tiktaalik 5y ago
Only 50% of the gain included for taxation. One could include more (say 75%). They could also bring in additional property transfer taxes for reach home, taxing people more for each additional property they buy. Singapore does this.

azepoi 5y ago

I think Switzerland requires some swiss ownership threshold. From the top of my head it's over 50% owned by the end natural/physical persons. Even trough shell corporations. Otherwise hike the tax on real estate while reducing at the same time taxes on local residents.

thrwy_ywrht 5y ago

> Could a better thought out measure achieve the same goals? How would you do it? It's a problem that needs to be solved on the supply side. Trying to solve it on the demand side is like trying to damn a river with a sieve.

coffeeblack 5y ago

So increase the rent to offset the tax.