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Isn't the Mac M1 mini $699?

by fumar 4y ago

cestith 4y ago
Did you just compare the $700 Mini to a $140 ECS Liva or some $200 HP or Asus Chromebox?
- wpm 4y ago
  Did you just compare a $200 HP or Asus Chromebox to a $0 free 15 year old Dell tower from your local Freegeek? We can do this all day.
  - cestith 4y ago
    Do you think a 15 year old Dell is going to match the performance of any new machine? "Old" is not the same thing as "low end".
    - Terretta 4y ago
      > Do you think a 15 year old Dell is going to match the performance of any new machine? Well, yes? We aren't that much faster since 2010 if you had true top end then and true low end now. But since talking Macs and Chromebooks, let pull up those: - Geekbench MacBook Pro 2010 15": 2.66GHz Intel Core i7 (i7-620M): 457 single, 972 multi - https://www.ebay.com/itm/304426589491?hash=item46e13d1d33:g:w~YAAOSwJwZiSkfq https://www.ebay.com/itm/304426589491?hash=item46e13d1d33:g:... And a currently shipping Chromebook, when sorting price low to high: - HP 4BS38UA HP Chromebook 14 IPS HD (1366x768) Intel Celeron N3350: 288 single, 523 multi - https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-1366x768-Bluetooth-14-ca023nr/dp/B07FNCJJ8V/ https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-1366x768-Bluetooth-14-c... In this case, the 2010 Mac smokes the Chromebook. To be fair, that model became available in 2018. So, something current? Acer Chromebooks w/ Intel Celeron N4020 have pretty bad benchmarks (~320-460 single, ~320-500 multi) but the CPU itself rates better: - Celeron N4020 benchmark: 427 single, 750 multi That's in currently shipping gear, like this HP introduced fall 2021: https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-Micro-Edge-Portable-14a-na0023nr/dp/B099M5J8MP/ https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-Micro-Edge-Portable-14a... Given these scores are comparing 2010 laptops with 2021 laptops, and the 2010 laptop wins (and can be bought at around the same price!), certainly if comparing a 15 year old workstation with cheapest available machine today, yes, the 15 year old Dell will exceed the performance of at least some new machines. Note: - Xeon in Mac Pro in 2010 rated 611 single, 6280 multi By comparison, in 2008 Mac Pro workstation: - Intel Xeon E5462 2800 MHz (8 cores) rated 420 single and 2540 multi Dell workstations at that time supported 5400 series Xeons.
      - cestith 4y ago
        And the M1 Mac Mini gets... guess what? 1744 single core and 7732 multi core. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=m1+Mac+mini https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=m1+Mac+mini The Air gets 1744 and 7711. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=m1+Macbook+Air https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q... So no, by your own ranting the M1 mini is not a low-end desktop easily matched by free 15-year-old hardware.
        Terretta 4y ago
        > by your own ranting the M1 mini is not a low-end desktop Sharing research is ranting? Anyway, post I replied to asked: > "Do you think a 15 year old Dell is going to match the performance of any new machine?" Interesting proposition! So I responded to "any new machine" using the earlier Chromebooks as the baseline.
        cestith 4y ago
        What's the power draw on your fifteen year old Dell? What's the thermal displacement? What generation of NVMe drives does it support?
- Aaargh20318 4y ago
  I pretty sure you’re the only one making that comparison.
  - cestith 4y ago
    https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=apple-mac-m1&num=7 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=apple-ma... Does a low end desktop trounce the previous generation Macbook Pro?
- threeseed 4y ago
  ECS Liva has 4GB RAM and 32GB of storage with Windows 10. It is going to be extremely limited in what it can do. In that case the iPad at $329 becomes a legitimate competitor and it includes a screen.
  - cestith 4y ago
    The current version of the Liva has a bit more generous specs, at up to 8 GB of RAM and up to 128 GB of internal storage. A Raspberry Pi (if you can find one) or one of the Rockchip SBCs could also be a low-end desktop. I think the point is made, though, that when I mention the true low end of desktop machines the Mac Mini is not even part of the same conversation. https://www.ecs.com.tw/en/Product/LIVA/LIVA_Q3_Plus/specification https://www.ecs.com.tw/en/Product/LIVA/LIVA_Q3_Plus/specific...
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  If you think either of those computers holds a candle to an M1 Mac mini I don’t know what to tell you.
  - cestith 4y ago
    I very specifically do not think they do. I asked if the parent post, by implying the Mac Mini is an entry level desktop, intended to compare them. Context is fundamental to reading threaded discussions.
    - Forgeties79 4y ago
      I’m not following what you are saying if my interpretation was wrong then, and this comment didn’t really clear it up for me. But I guess we can just agree to disagree?
      - BenjiWiebe 4y ago
        I think you might be agreeing. They are saying that the M1 Mac Mini is far more powerful than these low end devices, hence "Apple doesn't make low end devices".
        cestith 4y ago
        Exactly. Thanks for reading along.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    I don't think you have to hold a candle to the M1 Mac mini to qualify as a low end desktop.
    - cestith 4y ago
      Of course not, because the M1 Mac Mini is not a low end desktop. That's the whole point multiple people have missed here, and I'm glad you're not one of them.

Isn't the Mac M1 mini $699?

by fumar 4y ago

Isn't the Mac M1 mini $699?

cestith 4y ago

Did you just compare the $700 Mini to a $140 ECS Liva or some $200 HP or Asus Chromebox?

wpm 4y ago
Did you just compare a $200 HP or Asus Chromebox to a $0 free 15 year old Dell tower from your local Freegeek? We can do this all day.
- cestith 4y ago
  Do you think a 15 year old Dell is going to match the performance of any new machine? "Old" is not the same thing as "low end".
  - Terretta 4y ago
    > Do you think a 15 year old Dell is going to match the performance of any new machine? Well, yes? We aren't that much faster since 2010 if you had true top end then and true low end now. But since talking Macs and Chromebooks, let pull up those: - Geekbench MacBook Pro 2010 15": 2.66GHz Intel Core i7 (i7-620M): 457 single, 972 multi - https://www.ebay.com/itm/304426589491?hash=item46e13d1d33:g:w~YAAOSwJwZiSkfq https://www.ebay.com/itm/304426589491?hash=item46e13d1d33:g:... And a currently shipping Chromebook, when sorting price low to high: - HP 4BS38UA HP Chromebook 14 IPS HD (1366x768) Intel Celeron N3350: 288 single, 523 multi - https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-1366x768-Bluetooth-14-ca023nr/dp/B07FNCJJ8V/ https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-1366x768-Bluetooth-14-c... In this case, the 2010 Mac smokes the Chromebook. To be fair, that model became available in 2018. So, something current? Acer Chromebooks w/ Intel Celeron N4020 have pretty bad benchmarks (~320-460 single, ~320-500 multi) but the CPU itself rates better: - Celeron N4020 benchmark: 427 single, 750 multi That's in currently shipping gear, like this HP introduced fall 2021: https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-Micro-Edge-Portable-14a-na0023nr/dp/B099M5J8MP/ https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-Micro-Edge-Portable-14a... Given these scores are comparing 2010 laptops with 2021 laptops, and the 2010 laptop wins (and can be bought at around the same price!), certainly if comparing a 15 year old workstation with cheapest available machine today, yes, the 15 year old Dell will exceed the performance of at least some new machines. Note: - Xeon in Mac Pro in 2010 rated 611 single, 6280 multi By comparison, in 2008 Mac Pro workstation: - Intel Xeon E5462 2800 MHz (8 cores) rated 420 single and 2540 multi Dell workstations at that time supported 5400 series Xeons.
    - cestith 4y ago
      And the M1 Mac Mini gets... guess what? 1744 single core and 7732 multi core. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=m1+Mac+mini https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=m1+Mac+mini The Air gets 1744 and 7711. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=m1+Macbook+Air https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q... So no, by your own ranting the M1 mini is not a low-end desktop easily matched by free 15-year-old hardware.
      - Terretta 4y ago
        > by your own ranting the M1 mini is not a low-end desktop Sharing research is ranting? Anyway, post I replied to asked: > "Do you think a 15 year old Dell is going to match the performance of any new machine?" Interesting proposition! So I responded to "any new machine" using the earlier Chromebooks as the baseline.
        cestith 4y ago
        What's the power draw on your fifteen year old Dell? What's the thermal displacement? What generation of NVMe drives does it support?
Aaargh20318 4y ago
I pretty sure you’re the only one making that comparison.
- cestith 4y ago
  https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=apple-mac-m1&num=7 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=apple-ma... Does a low end desktop trounce the previous generation Macbook Pro?
threeseed 4y ago
ECS Liva has 4GB RAM and 32GB of storage with Windows 10. It is going to be extremely limited in what it can do. In that case the iPad at $329 becomes a legitimate competitor and it includes a screen.
- cestith 4y ago
  The current version of the Liva has a bit more generous specs, at up to 8 GB of RAM and up to 128 GB of internal storage. A Raspberry Pi (if you can find one) or one of the Rockchip SBCs could also be a low-end desktop. I think the point is made, though, that when I mention the true low end of desktop machines the Mac Mini is not even part of the same conversation. https://www.ecs.com.tw/en/Product/LIVA/LIVA_Q3_Plus/specification https://www.ecs.com.tw/en/Product/LIVA/LIVA_Q3_Plus/specific...
Forgeties79 4y ago
If you think either of those computers holds a candle to an M1 Mac mini I don’t know what to tell you.
- cestith 4y ago
  I very specifically do not think they do. I asked if the parent post, by implying the Mac Mini is an entry level desktop, intended to compare them. Context is fundamental to reading threaded discussions.
  - Forgeties79 4y ago
    I’m not following what you are saying if my interpretation was wrong then, and this comment didn’t really clear it up for me. But I guess we can just agree to disagree?
    - BenjiWiebe 4y ago
      I think you might be agreeing. They are saying that the M1 Mac Mini is far more powerful than these low end devices, hence "Apple doesn't make low end devices".
      - cestith 4y ago
        Exactly. Thanks for reading along.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  I don't think you have to hold a candle to the M1 Mac mini to qualify as a low end desktop.
  - cestith 4y ago
    Of course not, because the M1 Mac Mini is not a low end desktop. That's the whole point multiple people have missed here, and I'm glad you're not one of them.