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Glad we live in a era were accusations and rumors are not used as political weapons against individuals.
by hushpuppy 4y ago
Glad we live in a era were accusations and rumors are not used as political weapons against individuals.
- ch4s3 4y agoI don’t recall anyone being sent to work camps for criticizing government policy in the US recently.
- d0mine 4y agoMcCarthyism? (it is not 30s like in the article but it is 40s-50s)
- moron4hire 4y agoWeird definition of "recently".
- mdp2021 4y ago"Recently" ends upon uprootal.
- pc86 4y ago70-80 years is not any reasonable definition of "recently," particularly when discussing politics.
- moron4hire 4y agoI honestly have no idea what you are trying to say
- mdp2021 4y agoNo prob, I'll be clearer. Phenomena may be indicated which, in form of episodes, very defined events, may be part of a "past", but the direction, inclination, patterns behind those events may still be lurking much later. (For instance, an expression of fascism ended in the forties, yet fascism may linger, emerge etc.) So, thin latency and occasionalities aside - minor traits and occurrences that just confirm exceptionality -, for the phenomenon to be over it must be uprooted. Unexpressed but latent is "not over": it remains of concern, it may express differently, it may re-explode.
- newsclues 4y agoWork camps are just the extreme of the policies that we have yet to implement. We seem to be lubing the slippery slope towards it though, with political correctness and cancel culture.
- MisterTea 4y ago> Work camps are just the extreme of the policies that we have yet to implement. Yet to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_Stat... > We seem to be lubing the slippery slope towards it though, with political correctness and cancel culture. No we are not.
- JaimeThompson 4y agoWhen do you think cancel culture started?
- newsclues 4y agoProbably it started thousands of years ago, but recently it has certainly changed and become a new and terrible thing with social media.
- peace4all 4y agoThey weren't necessary sent to work camps. Some were just fired and couldn't get hired. Later, in 1950's & 60's, you would be effectively banned from career. Sometimes librarians would paint black their name if they were in references section. Since 1960's victims of these political battles could go to other institutions, probably at less important position. This practice continued all the way till the collapse of the USSR, I heard of such stories in Moscow universities, and in the Academy of Science.
- mullen 4y agoI would not compare anything that happened in the West to what happened in the USSR. I don't recall anyone in the West being sent to a work camp or shot because someone accused them of something they were not.
- adventured 4y agoAlong with what would happen to your family. In the USSR it was often not just yourself, they'd also target your family and its well-being just the same in the name of collective guilt.
- peace4all 4y agoDid I talk about forced labor in this comment above? I said: in later times, such clashes with bureacracy made people lose their entire career.
- mistrial9 4y agomost people reading this have never missed a meal in their lives; a good number of people reading this have never been in a grown-up out-of-money situation where you face deadlines and have no source of money; probably a few people reading this have had to work doing low-skill work, but personal computers have changed access stories. The new version of "labor camp" is a phone that costs you little to nothing but is restricted, tracked and required, and work that is low-skill or away from a center of decision making somehow. Parts of this are happening in the USA out of sight, and elsewhere, and it may be increasing under new economics regarding income and housing. Smug dismissal among those that have never really had parts of it yet, can be expected IMHO
- ch4s3 4y agoThey literally shot politicals in GULAG for stepping out of a line. Nothing in the US even compared.
- at_a_remove 4y agoYou're the first person in the thread to bring up work camps. How easily one can defeat a specter of one's own construction.
- ch4s3 4y agoThat’s 100% what happened to political offenders in the USSR even after GULAG officially closed. Theses scientists may have gotten article 58, but I didn’t dig that deeply. There is no US parallel.
- ajross 4y agoThis is low effort and specious. One person losing a job or appointment isn't the same as people being forced out of careers entirely or (literally) sentenced to years in a gulag because someone didn't like them. There is surely space for reasoned discussion about "cancel culture" and its effects on public discourse that doesn't involve likening a bunch of hippies on Twitter to the Soviet repression machine. Can we please start being better about this?
- mdp2021 4y agoYou come with unduly assumptions with the contexts you throw in. «Political questions and false accusations» are still «used to torpedo careers» - just that. In one place and time some excuses are more effective than others - if the counterpart is intentionally malicious they may just exploit that, irregardless the content.
- twofornone 4y ago>One person losing a job or appointment isn't the same as people being forced out of careers entirely Try speculating publicly about 1. Heritability of intelligence/behavior 2. Genetic differences among ethnicities Of course neither points go against scientific "consensus" individually, it's only discussing them simultaneously that risks your scientific career. Now try publishing something critical of covid vaccines. Or the modern approach to diagnosis/treatment of gender dysphoria. There are relatively few examples of such cancellations because the threat is implicit but well known, and that's sufficient to suppress dissent and give the illusion of consensus, but I digress.
- ajross 4y ago> Try speculating publicly about [...] You just did! Let me know when you're canceled. This argument is circular. You're saying the purported suppression can't be detected because its effect is already so widespread. And it's widespread because of the threat of cancellation. Which didn't happen. See the problem? The only way to get to your conclusion is to assume as a prior that this research doesn't exist because it's being suppressed, and not merely because it's wrong.
- aisengard 4y agoProbably should focus on implementing strong labor protections and encouraging union participation (which would blunt the effect this sort of weapon has), instead of eliminating them.
- mhh__ 4y ago> in an era Era? Read some history books
- hungryforcodes 4y agoTwitter?