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>Today it's the voice of those you disagree with Can you give an example of someone being banned for voicing an opinion? I'm not from the US so i may not have

by ralfn 4y ago

>Today it's the voice of those you disagree with Can you give an example of someone being banned for voicing an opinion? I'm not from the US so i may not have been paying too close attention. But lies aren't opinions. The truth isn't an opinion for that matter either. Example: The earth revolves around the sun (fact), there is a 5g microchip in the vaccine (lie), the US education system is really bad because I have to give you these examples (opinion). It is not about the topic. It is about how it is phrased. If I were to say you rank the worst, it would be a lie. So I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if what you are saying is true. (they are censoring opinions). But it's not an opinion. It's either true or you are a liar. >We've only just now reached a point where politicians are being targeted, which is kind of insane. That your politicians can tell prvbable lies but that your electorate doesn't instant fire them is crazy. No accountability. Seems like a much larger problem to me. And people not distinguishing between objective and subjective matters like you will cause the US to collapse. That is my opinion though. I don't have facts, because I can't actually tell the future.

bmelton 4y ago
> people not distinguishing between objective and subjective matters like you will cause the US to collapse Caution: Admitting ignorance on the topic and then levying an accusation that failure to discern is responsible for nation-state collapse seems like a large leap that one might want to avoid. As to the rest: Most of the bans I've seen have been based around what I'll call controversial opinions, which I won't bother expounding on but some examples include references to Caitlyn Jenner's Olympic achievements, or whether they are biologically male or female. Beyond that, I've seen a large number of bannings from those who questioned official government narratives: * COVID vaccines have affect menstrual cycles * COVID likely originated in Wuhan etc. These all seem to fall under the concept of 'opinion' and at least to the bulleted items, both of those opinions seem to have consensus support now, despite that they might have gotten you deplatformed just a year ago. There has to be room for civil discourse to question official narratives (for the citizenry and elected representatives alike) and for elected representatives, it seems that "I think the narrative is incorrect and so I should resign to give voice to it" then leaves the politician ineffective at countering what may well be a disaster, and leaves open the possibility of a heckler's veto of sorts wherein the executive could merely inject insincere poison pills into the official narrative and then wait for their ideological opponents to resign in objection.
nradov 4y ago
Feminist author Meghan Murphy was permanently banned from Twitter for stating an opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghan_Murphy?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghan_Murphy?wprov=sfla1
- rhacker 4y ago
  I have to admit, 10 years ago when the LGBTQ community was struggling I was a strong supporter. After all the cancellations I really want nothing to do with organized LGBTQ. I don't know if they realize they are affecting people this way. It's probably all a numbers game to them.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    I can’t speak for other contexts, but the organized lobby representing Asian Americans has very little relationship with Asian Americans themselves: https://www.slowboring.com/p/yang-gang https://www.slowboring.com/p/yang-gang I don’t know how these organizations became so politically powerful. When organizations purport to be speaking for and making demands on behalf of “AAPPIs” like me and my family, you’d think maybe I’d at least heard of them at some point. :-/
    - namelessoracle 4y ago
      Next look up what autistic people think of most of the Autism organizations out there.
  - JamisonM 4y ago
    You should continue to support the LGBTQ community and ignore "organized LGBTQ"! Vote out folks engaged in this absurd "grooming" moral panic but don't pay any attention to people that want to cancel your grandma for not articulating the perfect version of inclusion!
- stonogo 4y ago
  Meghan Murphy was banned from Twitter for deliberately misgendering trans people. She's on record saying that she has no problem with people having reassignment surgery etc, but then she built up a long track record of calling trans women "him" or using a name they've changed away from as a personal attack, and that's not a defensible "opinion" according to Twitter's terms of service.
bena 4y ago
> It's either true or you are a liar. Point of order on this dichotomy. There is a third option, they could just be wrong. It's only a lie if it is wrong and he knows it is wrong.

by ralfn 4y ago

bmelton 4y ago

> people not distinguishing between objective and subjective matters like you will cause the US to collapse Caution: Admitting ignorance on the topic and then levying an accusation that failure to discern is responsible for nation-state collapse seems like a large leap that one might want to avoid. As to the rest: Most of the bans I've seen have been based around what I'll call controversial opinions, which I won't bother expounding on but some examples include references to Caitlyn Jenner's Olympic achievements, or whether they are biologically male or female. Beyond that, I've seen a large number of bannings from those who questioned official government narratives: * COVID vaccines have affect menstrual cycles * COVID likely originated in Wuhan etc. These all seem to fall under the concept of 'opinion' and at least to the bulleted items, both of those opinions seem to have consensus support now, despite that they might have gotten you deplatformed just a year ago. There has to be room for civil discourse to question official narratives (for the citizenry and elected representatives alike) and for elected representatives, it seems that "I think the narrative is incorrect and so I should resign to give voice to it" then leaves the politician ineffective at countering what may well be a disaster, and leaves open the possibility of a heckler's veto of sorts wherein the executive could merely inject insincere poison pills into the official narrative and then wait for their ideological opponents to resign in objection.

nradov 4y ago

Feminist author Meghan Murphy was permanently banned from Twitter for stating an opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghan_Murphy?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghan_Murphy?wprov=sfla1

rhacker 4y ago
I have to admit, 10 years ago when the LGBTQ community was struggling I was a strong supporter. After all the cancellations I really want nothing to do with organized LGBTQ. I don't know if they realize they are affecting people this way. It's probably all a numbers game to them.
- rayiner 4y ago
  I can’t speak for other contexts, but the organized lobby representing Asian Americans has very little relationship with Asian Americans themselves: https://www.slowboring.com/p/yang-gang https://www.slowboring.com/p/yang-gang I don’t know how these organizations became so politically powerful. When organizations purport to be speaking for and making demands on behalf of “AAPPIs” like me and my family, you’d think maybe I’d at least heard of them at some point. :-/
  - namelessoracle 4y ago
    Next look up what autistic people think of most of the Autism organizations out there.
- JamisonM 4y ago
  You should continue to support the LGBTQ community and ignore "organized LGBTQ"! Vote out folks engaged in this absurd "grooming" moral panic but don't pay any attention to people that want to cancel your grandma for not articulating the perfect version of inclusion!
stonogo 4y ago
Meghan Murphy was banned from Twitter for deliberately misgendering trans people. She's on record saying that she has no problem with people having reassignment surgery etc, but then she built up a long track record of calling trans women "him" or using a name they've changed away from as a personal attack, and that's not a defensible "opinion" according to Twitter's terms of service.

bena 4y ago

> It's either true or you are a liar. Point of order on this dichotomy. There is a third option, they could just be wrong. It's only a lie if it is wrong and he knows it is wrong.