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> the Samsung culture is extremely top-down and overwork focused Allow me to add some context. The Samsung culture could be described as militaristic, with acc

> the Samsung culture is extremely top-down and overwork focused Allow me to add some context. The Samsung culture could be described as militaristic, with accompanying rank and ceremony, therefore I can see how you identified the top-down chain-of-command relationships. [edited]

formerly_proven 5y ago
Of course as American employees of the American branch office you might draw comparisons between the work culture there and other, similar tech companies in America and factor this into your valuation of the employer in question.
hasmolo 5y ago
i feel like you’ve made a point here that, if you phrased a little differently, would’ve been an interesting addition to the conversation.
kurthr 5y ago
This (top level story) is a reflection of _SAMSUNG_ (particularly SEC-SLSI) culture. There are certainly elements of Korean culture, but it is for example VERY different from LG culture. I don't understand why there's a reason to jump to 5000 years of history for criticism of a part of a company that's having problems... apparently with truthful internal communication. I think most people would accept that Intel has/had similar problems based in financial optimization, but that doesn't directly reflect on 5000 years of western culture.
- userbinator 5y ago
  but that doesn't directly reflect on 5000 years of western culture. There hasn't even been 5000 years of western culture...
  - edgyquant 5y ago
    There hasn’t been 5000 years of any culture tbh
    - moistly 5y ago
      Australian aborigines have over 50000 years of culture behind them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indigenous_Australians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indigenous_Australi...
      - klibertp 5y ago
        Very off-topic, but it's one of the most shameful episodes in Western, British, and Australian history. Almost 200 years of racism, persecution, forced assimilation, kidnapping children and putting them into religious institutions, and a lot more - and it was only in 2008 that the Australian govt cared to apologize. Incredible cultures, incredible wealth of lifestyles, ideas, beliefs - almost destroyed in the name of "making [Aboriginal people] more civilized and industrious". Yes, the glorious Western civilization did the same pretty much everywhere, but Australian Aboriginal people's culture is unique due to their very long period of isolation - it's a gem and wonder worth studying and learning from. Yet, the Western instinct was to trample on and destroy it, systematically, irreversibly, just for the sake of it. Reading the Wiki page you linked some time back literally left me in tears. How could we. I don't even.
        bigDinosaur 5y ago
        Even further off topic, but you may be surprised to learn how much culture the imperial powers erased within their own countries. Take a country like France: it's hard to believe that French wasn't the majority language until almost the 20th century. Now look at it - many of the regional languages are extinct or endangered with French overwhelmingly dominant. Think that this was a peaceful and consensual process? Think again!
        alduin32 5y ago
        Yes, that's very true, thanks for making that point. I'd like to add that it's never too late to try to preserve these cultures, traditions and languages. Getting interested to the ones of your place of residence, even if you're not from there originally, can be a great experience. One of the best ways to do it is through singing and dancing (they go great together), and more generally, there are often chorals and various groups dedicated to these cultures, traditions and languages. And indeed when you get into this kind of thing, you realize how much culture has been erased (in my case, the Occitan culture), but also you can see how much is left, and how important it is to preserve it. It also helps a lot when reflecting on our own modern, imposed, culture, and realize that some of the things we think have always been there, have not.
  - jeffbee 5y ago
    Some would say there haven't been any.
    - kortilla 5y ago
      - mikehotel 5y ago
        I think he was taking the piss.
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    I believe the Classical Greek era is usually considered the roots of Western Civilization, so roughly 2500 years. But if you go back to the Early Greek era of the Minoan civilizations then it is about 5000 years. It's all slow, gradual accretion though, so you can draw the line in lots of places.
    - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
      Wouldn’t you have to go back to Mesopotamia to get 5000 years? And I’m not sure if that is really considered western.
      - ineedasername 5y ago
        No, Minoan gets you close to 5000, again depending on where you draw line. 5500 if you go back to its roots, hard to call that a civilization, maybe around 4500 if you're looking for something like precursor to cities in the form of small centers of trade. 4000 for examples of writing. Although with remains like that you never know if they simply used less durable materials before hand, or if none have been found yet. Either way, on any of those benchmarks Mesopotamia precedes it by at least a few centuries or more, though Minoan does get you back pretty far. I don't know the migration patterns, but I think there was influence from Mesopotamia. Classical Greece ~2500 years is probably often where the line is drawn because that's where some of the foundational works of culture, philosophy, and math had their start and became founding members of the "Western Canon". For millenia, students were trained in Greek and Latin and read the great works of those time periods. But there was a civilization that gradually evolved into that time period, complete with it's own Dark Ages before things climbed back up to what became Classical.
  - timthorn 5y ago
    Stonehenge dates from 3000BC
    - Ekaros 5y ago
      And we have little idea who build it and for what. I expect at least those basics down for anything to be called part of our culture. At least for back-dating purposes.
wincy 5y ago
I genuinely have no idea what this appeal to ancient cultural authority is meant to convey, especially since virtually everyone was destitute and had no human rights for the overwhelming majority of human history. That a preindustrial society existed for 5,000 years with very little change has no bearing at all on how a multinational business ought to be run in a modern society. In fact, I would argue that technological advances became possible precisely because we blew apart many of these entrenched power structures.
- jason-phillips 5y ago
  As someone who grew up overseas, I can tell you that most of the world does not feel as you do. Cultural differences and identities go far in explaining the reason why things are the way they are. And the rest of the world doesn't shy away from it. I am sure that what you wrote is true from your perspective and have therefor edited my comment so as to not produce discomfort.

formerly_proven 5y ago

Of course as American employees of the American branch office you might draw comparisons between the work culture there and other, similar tech companies in America and factor this into your valuation of the employer in question.

hasmolo 5y ago

i feel like you’ve made a point here that, if you phrased a little differently, would’ve been an interesting addition to the conversation.

kurthr 5y ago

This (top level story) is a reflection of _SAMSUNG_ (particularly SEC-SLSI) culture. There are certainly elements of Korean culture, but it is for example VERY different from LG culture. I don't understand why there's a reason to jump to 5000 years of history for criticism of a part of a company that's having problems... apparently with truthful internal communication. I think most people would accept that Intel has/had similar problems based in financial optimization, but that doesn't directly reflect on 5000 years of western culture.

userbinator 5y ago
but that doesn't directly reflect on 5000 years of western culture. There hasn't even been 5000 years of western culture...
- edgyquant 5y ago
  There hasn’t been 5000 years of any culture tbh
  - moistly 5y ago
    Australian aborigines have over 50000 years of culture behind them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indigenous_Australians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indigenous_Australi...
    - klibertp 5y ago
      Very off-topic, but it's one of the most shameful episodes in Western, British, and Australian history. Almost 200 years of racism, persecution, forced assimilation, kidnapping children and putting them into religious institutions, and a lot more - and it was only in 2008 that the Australian govt cared to apologize. Incredible cultures, incredible wealth of lifestyles, ideas, beliefs - almost destroyed in the name of "making [Aboriginal people] more civilized and industrious". Yes, the glorious Western civilization did the same pretty much everywhere, but Australian Aboriginal people's culture is unique due to their very long period of isolation - it's a gem and wonder worth studying and learning from. Yet, the Western instinct was to trample on and destroy it, systematically, irreversibly, just for the sake of it. Reading the Wiki page you linked some time back literally left me in tears. How could we. I don't even.
      - bigDinosaur 5y ago
        Even further off topic, but you may be surprised to learn how much culture the imperial powers erased within their own countries. Take a country like France: it's hard to believe that French wasn't the majority language until almost the 20th century. Now look at it - many of the regional languages are extinct or endangered with French overwhelmingly dominant. Think that this was a peaceful and consensual process? Think again!
        alduin32 5y ago
        Yes, that's very true, thanks for making that point. I'd like to add that it's never too late to try to preserve these cultures, traditions and languages. Getting interested to the ones of your place of residence, even if you're not from there originally, can be a great experience. One of the best ways to do it is through singing and dancing (they go great together), and more generally, there are often chorals and various groups dedicated to these cultures, traditions and languages. And indeed when you get into this kind of thing, you realize how much culture has been erased (in my case, the Occitan culture), but also you can see how much is left, and how important it is to preserve it. It also helps a lot when reflecting on our own modern, imposed, culture, and realize that some of the things we think have always been there, have not.
- jeffbee 5y ago
  Some would say there haven't been any.
  - kortilla 5y ago
    - mikehotel 5y ago
      I think he was taking the piss.
- ineedasername 5y ago
  I believe the Classical Greek era is usually considered the roots of Western Civilization, so roughly 2500 years. But if you go back to the Early Greek era of the Minoan civilizations then it is about 5000 years. It's all slow, gradual accretion though, so you can draw the line in lots of places.
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    Wouldn’t you have to go back to Mesopotamia to get 5000 years? And I’m not sure if that is really considered western.
    - ineedasername 5y ago
      No, Minoan gets you close to 5000, again depending on where you draw line. 5500 if you go back to its roots, hard to call that a civilization, maybe around 4500 if you're looking for something like precursor to cities in the form of small centers of trade. 4000 for examples of writing. Although with remains like that you never know if they simply used less durable materials before hand, or if none have been found yet. Either way, on any of those benchmarks Mesopotamia precedes it by at least a few centuries or more, though Minoan does get you back pretty far. I don't know the migration patterns, but I think there was influence from Mesopotamia. Classical Greece ~2500 years is probably often where the line is drawn because that's where some of the foundational works of culture, philosophy, and math had their start and became founding members of the "Western Canon". For millenia, students were trained in Greek and Latin and read the great works of those time periods. But there was a civilization that gradually evolved into that time period, complete with it's own Dark Ages before things climbed back up to what became Classical.
- timthorn 5y ago
  Stonehenge dates from 3000BC
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    And we have little idea who build it and for what. I expect at least those basics down for anything to be called part of our culture. At least for back-dating purposes.

wincy 5y ago

I genuinely have no idea what this appeal to ancient cultural authority is meant to convey, especially since virtually everyone was destitute and had no human rights for the overwhelming majority of human history. That a preindustrial society existed for 5,000 years with very little change has no bearing at all on how a multinational business ought to be run in a modern society. In fact, I would argue that technological advances became possible precisely because we blew apart many of these entrenched power structures.

jason-phillips 5y ago
As someone who grew up overseas, I can tell you that most of the world does not feel as you do. Cultural differences and identities go far in explaining the reason why things are the way they are. And the rest of the world doesn't shy away from it. I am sure that what you wrote is true from your perspective and have therefor edited my comment so as to not produce discomfort.