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A bigger part of all of this is the people who manage many Only Fans performers. I did not know this was a thing until I came across this watching a few podcas

A bigger part of all of this is the people who manage many Only Fans performers. I did not know this was a thing until I came across this watching a few podcasts. Then more and more and more I realized this management industry was quite big. And it makes sense, the performers are performers and not really business oriented for the most part. So its a vacuum that was waiting to be filled. Then again, is it really any different from managers for actors, musicians, artists and other "normal" industries? I remember my father who was an artist had a few gallery owners who managed his sales, showings, personal commissions and other artist activities. Now that I think about it decades later, its remarkably like pimping. Hahaha. No wonder dad had a love/have relationship with those people.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
Not just that... they also lease huge buildings, build "cubicles" inside, furnish them to look like bedrooms, get girls the same way as they would for any other adult business (from human trafficking to working from a very poor country, with enough desparate people for that), and then take a huge cut of profits. Basically pimping out girls, but digitally.
- eric4smith 4y ago
  Sure. But from what I heard, just managing girls who do it from their home is just as large, if not larger.
  - formerkrogemp 4y ago
    Survivorship bias. You often hear only about the top earners and not the poor person doing onlyfans and working another job. Or two. I'd expect the majority of performers not to live in large, nice houses.
    - dismantlethesun 4y ago
      Majority of performers aren’t really serious about it either. Due to morality constraints, very few people find it easy to buckle down and work 8 hours a day at that job… whereas if they were to pick a body damaging job like construction they would have social support to help them get through the day.
      - formerkrogemp 4y ago
- dismantlethesun 4y ago
  I would distinguish between human trafficking which is illegal, and simply hiring people for work which is perfectly legal and normal. Also because it’s digital, no one actually has to leave their country. As a person living in a very poor country, we look upon this as safer than immigrating to work as a maid for a rich family in Dubai.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    >I would distinguish between human trafficking which is illegal, Yes, the trope of every single person in the adult entertainment world or escort world is automatically a victim of human trafficking is quite tired. Yes, it absolutely happens and should be stopped when found, but at the same time, there are people doing this work of their own volition and actually enjoy it.
    - chii 4y ago
      And the way to stop the trafficking is to make the industry legal, and regulated and the workers in it given protection (like pretty much any other worker - OHSA style). When you make a demand illegal, it doesn't stop that demand, but instead a black market and exploitation happens around it. Making it legal will stop the crimes, make it possible for the police to patrol and arrest people doing the wrong thing, and provide a way for those exploited to seek help without themselves being exposed to another type of danger.
      - dylan604 4y ago
        "What these girls need is a union" --Officer Beatrice Russell, The Wire
      - imchillyb 4y ago
        > And the way to stop the trafficking is to make the industry legal, and regulated and the workers in it given protection... @chii That's complete horseshit... Human trafficking isn't just applied to sex workers. Human trafficking happens with butlers, maids, housekeepers, drivers, gardeners, and other house-staff. Human trafficking is a demand problem not a supply problem. People demand slaves, so a slave market is born; period. Human trafficking is a: 'Humans Suck', problem. Can't stop human trafficking without curing the 'humans suck' thing. Doesn't matter the protections in place, they're there already. Doesn't matter about exposure to the issue, we all know it's happening. Doesn't matter the legal repercussions we enact, the penalties are on the books. Doesn't matter... Humans suck, and there are those who will pay a premium for a literal slave. Humans suck...
- alar44 4y ago
  Oh that's right, all girls in the sex industry have been forced against their will. Almost forgot.
- crate_barre 4y ago
  So some of you in your campus offices with cafeterias and laundry, you are not being pimped as well?
- throwaway675309 4y ago
  Sounds like there's a bit of overlap between this and the exploitation of K-pop girl bands.
- kingcharles 4y ago
  This girl is very managed from what I can tell.. I remember seeing the manager and production crew setting up in one video and it was a realization seeing big studio lights and reflectors and people running around.. and I can't tell if they are trying to be ironic with the name they use for their talent: https://www.instagram.com/icanbebought https://www.instagram.com/icanbebought
Narretz 4y ago
I have the feeling that many adult performers went to OnlyFans in the first place so they could have control over the price, content, schedule etc. But it looks like OnlyFans like every industry will consolidate over time and bring many of the problems of mainstream porn with it.
- ianhawes 4y ago
  Many adult performers started using OnlyFans because it allowed them to refer their own non-adult social media following (i.e. IG/TikTok/Twitter/Reddit) to an adult friendly platform that didn’t take an insane cut. What most people don’t realize is that traditional cam platforms like LiveJasmin and Streamate allocate a 30% cut for themselves and a 30% cut for the referring affiliate, typically a porn site. The remaining 40% is allocated to the model - 30% if the model uses a studio. Another unspoken player is the credit card processor who typically captures 10% of the revenue for “risk”.
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    I don't know why the scare quotes on risk. It is absolutely there in this industry. Chargeback rates are crazy from the kid who swesrs he didn't steal his mom's credit card or the husband who promises he wasn't the one buying this stuff, it must have been a hacker. This is also not entirely unfounded because some areas of this indistry are very easy to juice revenue from stolen credit cards. There is a reason that even with those high fees to be made, most processors will not touch the industry.
    - zo1 4y ago
      The answer is deeper still. Remove charge backs so the credit card companies become "dumb" utilities rather than some sort of service that can provide "value add". I actually don't know why it's even a genuine thing other than it's digital so "you can". In every other realm we deal with this concept using courts, police and as plain old fraud.
      - 4y ago
robonerd 4y ago
I think pimping is the right word for it. This is a controversial topic to broach, but it's difficult if not impossible to know what's going on in the lives of these performers behind the camera. On the face of it, they all seem to consent. But putting on a smile for the camera doesn't rule out coercion behind the scenes. That the presence and role of these managers is not more widely stood should be read as a warning sign; that lack of transparency is precisely the protection a pimp would want. There are few meaningful safeguards. Platforms positively identifying performers is good, it helps combat trafficking of kidnapping victims if nothing else. But it doesn't begin to address all the other scenarios in which a performer might be coerced. The platform knowing that Performer X has real name Y doesn't give them any insight into the existence of Pimp Z who has access to all her documents/accounts and threatens to kill her if she ever tries to leave. Maybe you think "I know this woman, I watch her stream for many hours a week in unrehearsed situations, I have a strong parasocial relationship with her and I know she's not being abused" But you don't know that. Abuse can be hidden from close friends, family, neighbors, and certainly it can be hidden from stream simps.
- belorn 4y ago
  Sport managers, model managers, music managers, film star managers... There are few job titles that has such a rich history of abuse. It almost seems that in every case we hear about a manager it is how they are abusing someone. Maybe this is a job that governments should start to regulate more heavily in order to prevent abuse.
  - Nasrudith 4y ago
    Regulate how exactly and what would it help with? Accounting requirements can help with things like money laundering and fraud. I am not certain of what measures would help with abuse there. Not saying it is impossible but we should know what we are doing.
    - belorn 4y ago
      Take a sport manager. If the manager give their athlete drugs to improve performance in order to boost their own status or profit, then clearly something is wrong with the incentive structure. Managers could be held to a higher legal standard and liability, require a license like accounting, and we could fund police investigation when abuse is suspected. If the problem still remain we could regulate how managers are allowed to profit from athletes, removing some of those incentives for abuse. Going even further and more restricted, managers could be government appointed rather than hired, requiring that managers go through a strict government process. I am sure there are even more ways that I can't personally think of, and obviously some would not be culturally accepted.
mixedmath 4y ago
Which podcasts were you listening to? They sound interesting to me, and I know nothing there. Would you recommend them?

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

Not just that... they also lease huge buildings, build "cubicles" inside, furnish them to look like bedrooms, get girls the same way as they would for any other adult business (from human trafficking to working from a very poor country, with enough desparate people for that), and then take a huge cut of profits. Basically pimping out girls, but digitally.

eric4smith 4y ago
Sure. But from what I heard, just managing girls who do it from their home is just as large, if not larger.
- formerkrogemp 4y ago
  Survivorship bias. You often hear only about the top earners and not the poor person doing onlyfans and working another job. Or two. I'd expect the majority of performers not to live in large, nice houses.
  - dismantlethesun 4y ago
    Majority of performers aren’t really serious about it either. Due to morality constraints, very few people find it easy to buckle down and work 8 hours a day at that job… whereas if they were to pick a body damaging job like construction they would have social support to help them get through the day.
    - formerkrogemp 4y ago
dismantlethesun 4y ago
I would distinguish between human trafficking which is illegal, and simply hiring people for work which is perfectly legal and normal. Also because it’s digital, no one actually has to leave their country. As a person living in a very poor country, we look upon this as safer than immigrating to work as a maid for a rich family in Dubai.
- dylan604 4y ago
  >I would distinguish between human trafficking which is illegal, Yes, the trope of every single person in the adult entertainment world or escort world is automatically a victim of human trafficking is quite tired. Yes, it absolutely happens and should be stopped when found, but at the same time, there are people doing this work of their own volition and actually enjoy it.
  - chii 4y ago
    And the way to stop the trafficking is to make the industry legal, and regulated and the workers in it given protection (like pretty much any other worker - OHSA style). When you make a demand illegal, it doesn't stop that demand, but instead a black market and exploitation happens around it. Making it legal will stop the crimes, make it possible for the police to patrol and arrest people doing the wrong thing, and provide a way for those exploited to seek help without themselves being exposed to another type of danger.
    - dylan604 4y ago
      "What these girls need is a union" --Officer Beatrice Russell, The Wire
    - imchillyb 4y ago
      > And the way to stop the trafficking is to make the industry legal, and regulated and the workers in it given protection... @chii That's complete horseshit... Human trafficking isn't just applied to sex workers. Human trafficking happens with butlers, maids, housekeepers, drivers, gardeners, and other house-staff. Human trafficking is a demand problem not a supply problem. People demand slaves, so a slave market is born; period. Human trafficking is a: 'Humans Suck', problem. Can't stop human trafficking without curing the 'humans suck' thing. Doesn't matter the protections in place, they're there already. Doesn't matter about exposure to the issue, we all know it's happening. Doesn't matter the legal repercussions we enact, the penalties are on the books. Doesn't matter... Humans suck, and there are those who will pay a premium for a literal slave. Humans suck...
alar44 4y ago
Oh that's right, all girls in the sex industry have been forced against their will. Almost forgot.
crate_barre 4y ago
So some of you in your campus offices with cafeterias and laundry, you are not being pimped as well?
throwaway675309 4y ago
Sounds like there's a bit of overlap between this and the exploitation of K-pop girl bands.
kingcharles 4y ago
This girl is very managed from what I can tell.. I remember seeing the manager and production crew setting up in one video and it was a realization seeing big studio lights and reflectors and people running around.. and I can't tell if they are trying to be ironic with the name they use for their talent: https://www.instagram.com/icanbebought https://www.instagram.com/icanbebought

Narretz 4y ago

I have the feeling that many adult performers went to OnlyFans in the first place so they could have control over the price, content, schedule etc. But it looks like OnlyFans like every industry will consolidate over time and bring many of the problems of mainstream porn with it.

ianhawes 4y ago
Many adult performers started using OnlyFans because it allowed them to refer their own non-adult social media following (i.e. IG/TikTok/Twitter/Reddit) to an adult friendly platform that didn’t take an insane cut. What most people don’t realize is that traditional cam platforms like LiveJasmin and Streamate allocate a 30% cut for themselves and a 30% cut for the referring affiliate, typically a porn site. The remaining 40% is allocated to the model - 30% if the model uses a studio. Another unspoken player is the credit card processor who typically captures 10% of the revenue for “risk”.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  I don't know why the scare quotes on risk. It is absolutely there in this industry. Chargeback rates are crazy from the kid who swesrs he didn't steal his mom's credit card or the husband who promises he wasn't the one buying this stuff, it must have been a hacker. This is also not entirely unfounded because some areas of this indistry are very easy to juice revenue from stolen credit cards. There is a reason that even with those high fees to be made, most processors will not touch the industry.
  - zo1 4y ago
    The answer is deeper still. Remove charge backs so the credit card companies become "dumb" utilities rather than some sort of service that can provide "value add". I actually don't know why it's even a genuine thing other than it's digital so "you can". In every other realm we deal with this concept using courts, police and as plain old fraud.
    - 4y ago

robonerd 4y ago

I think pimping is the right word for it. This is a controversial topic to broach, but it's difficult if not impossible to know what's going on in the lives of these performers behind the camera. On the face of it, they all seem to consent. But putting on a smile for the camera doesn't rule out coercion behind the scenes. That the presence and role of these managers is not more widely stood should be read as a warning sign; that lack of transparency is precisely the protection a pimp would want. There are few meaningful safeguards. Platforms positively identifying performers is good, it helps combat trafficking of kidnapping victims if nothing else. But it doesn't begin to address all the other scenarios in which a performer might be coerced. The platform knowing that Performer X has real name Y doesn't give them any insight into the existence of Pimp Z who has access to all her documents/accounts and threatens to kill her if she ever tries to leave. Maybe you think "I know this woman, I watch her stream for many hours a week in unrehearsed situations, I have a strong parasocial relationship with her and I know she's not being abused" But you don't know that. Abuse can be hidden from close friends, family, neighbors, and certainly it can be hidden from stream simps.

belorn 4y ago
Sport managers, model managers, music managers, film star managers... There are few job titles that has such a rich history of abuse. It almost seems that in every case we hear about a manager it is how they are abusing someone. Maybe this is a job that governments should start to regulate more heavily in order to prevent abuse.
- Nasrudith 4y ago
  Regulate how exactly and what would it help with? Accounting requirements can help with things like money laundering and fraud. I am not certain of what measures would help with abuse there. Not saying it is impossible but we should know what we are doing.
  - belorn 4y ago
    Take a sport manager. If the manager give their athlete drugs to improve performance in order to boost their own status or profit, then clearly something is wrong with the incentive structure. Managers could be held to a higher legal standard and liability, require a license like accounting, and we could fund police investigation when abuse is suspected. If the problem still remain we could regulate how managers are allowed to profit from athletes, removing some of those incentives for abuse. Going even further and more restricted, managers could be government appointed rather than hired, requiring that managers go through a strict government process. I am sure there are even more ways that I can't personally think of, and obviously some would not be culturally accepted.

mixedmath 4y ago

Which podcasts were you listening to? They sound interesting to me, and I know nothing there. Would you recommend them?