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> Someone has to be trying to pass before it counts as overtaking and possibly impeding. So are you saying cars need to slow down to bicycle speeds, wait for

> Someone has to be trying to pass before it counts as overtaking and possibly impeding. So are you saying cars need to slow down to bicycle speeds, wait for the cyclists to go to single file (assuming they do at all), then go back to normal speeds? > No, not at all! They only have to leave the lane if there is a big enough shoulder. A narrow service road is exactly where bikes are permitted to use the lane!! Nope. Again, you failed to understand the context. The service road is narrow—just two lanes, but one for each direction—but the shoulder is well-paved, clean, and nearly the width of a full lane. I make this extremely clear in my discussion elsewhere. New York insists that cyclists stay on that righthand shoulder.

Dylan16807 5y ago
If there is a quality shoulder then the law tells them to stay on the shoulder. This is completely separate from single file vs. side by side. Just stay on the shoulder. Even single file in the lane would break the rule. If the shoulder is nearly the width of a full lane, then it would fit for them to be side by side entirely inside the shoulder, and that would be allowed too. Sometimes, as a secondary effect, this rule blocks being side by side. But only when the shoulder is very specific widths. It's not the point of the rule.
Dylan16807 5y ago
I'm making this part separate because it's less important. > So are you saying cars need to slow down to bicycle speeds, wait for the cyclists to go to single file (assuming they do at all), then go back to normal speeds? Cars shouldn't have to slow down quite that much, but overall yes cars might have to wait a couple seconds as they approach the bikes and show intent to pass. Once one car passes, other cars can easily go by after them, since they'd need to stay single file until the cars are done overtaking. It's a very short wait and only for the first car in line. And, mind you, this is only on roads where bikes can't use the shoulder. If the law wanted bikes to stay in single file at all times it would just say that, and not "when being overtaken". > (assuming they do at all) Well if they don't then that's breaking the law, of course.

Dylan16807 5y ago

If there is a quality shoulder then the law tells them to stay on the shoulder. This is completely separate from single file vs. side by side. Just stay on the shoulder. Even single file in the lane would break the rule. If the shoulder is nearly the width of a full lane, then it would fit for them to be side by side entirely inside the shoulder, and that would be allowed too. Sometimes, as a secondary effect, this rule blocks being side by side. But only when the shoulder is very specific widths. It's not the point of the rule.

Dylan16807 5y ago

I'm making this part separate because it's less important. > So are you saying cars need to slow down to bicycle speeds, wait for the cyclists to go to single file (assuming they do at all), then go back to normal speeds? Cars shouldn't have to slow down quite that much, but overall yes cars might have to wait a couple seconds as they approach the bikes and show intent to pass. Once one car passes, other cars can easily go by after them, since they'd need to stay single file until the cars are done overtaking. It's a very short wait and only for the first car in line. And, mind you, this is only on roads where bikes can't use the shoulder. If the law wanted bikes to stay in single file at all times it would just say that, and not "when being overtaken". > (assuming they do at all) Well if they don't then that's breaking the law, of course.