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> if a usable bicycle or in-line skate lane has not been provided, near the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway or upon a usable right-hand shoulder in such

> if a usable bicycle or in-line skate lane has not been provided, near the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway or upon a usable right-hand shoulder in such a manner as to prevent undue interference with the flow of traffic except when preparing for a left turn or when reasonably necessary to avoid conditions that would make it unsafe to continue along near the right-hand curb or edge. Cyclists do not have an unlimited right of way in NY and are not allowed to just take-up a lane arbitrarily.

Dylan16807 5y ago
But that doesn't say anything about side by side. It sounds like, when there is a usable edge, that rule both allows side by side on the edge and disallows single file in a lane.
- nobodyandproud 5y ago
  You must have missed this quoted section: “as to prevent undue interference with the flow of traffic” Nevermind that the road signs also say single file.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    No, I definitely didn't miss that part. If there's a wide bikeable shoulder, you could go side by side and still not interfere with traffic. If there's a narrow bikeable shoulder, you're forced into single file in it, in most cases. If there's no bikeable shoulder, then you're taking up the lane no matter what, and then those rules say nothing against being side by side except while being passed. The rule is not "go single file". The rule is "stay out of the lane when you can".
    - nobodyandproud 5y ago
      I’m afraid not. > https://www.bicycling.com/rides/a20026266/bicycle-safety-do-you-legally-have-to-ride-single-file/ https://www.bicycling.com/rides/a20026266/bicycle-safety-do-... > https://www.zifflaw.com/ny-bike-accident/bike-accident-attorney-addresses-rules-for-cycling-side-by-side-in-ny-state/ https://www.zifflaw.com/ny-bike-accident/bike-accident-attor... And this is assuming, again, that the municipality is silent on the matter. That is, some areas and roads can and do insist on single file. Or for that matter, that cyclists in twos aren’t forcing drivers to cross into the opposing traffic lane.
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        > I’m afraid not. I have no idea which part of my post that's a response to. Especially because the first sentence of your second link is "Only three states allow bicyclists to ride side by side but require them to ride single file when being overtaken by a vehicle. New York is one of those states." allow bicyclists to ride side by side... Because, just to be extra clear again, the scenario you laid out earlier was complaining that they were side by side before any attempt at overtaking was happening.
        nobodyandproud 5y ago
        Then that’s your misunderstanding. To quote myself: > It’s for their safety and courtesy, telling them that a car is passing because they (the cyclists) aren’t following the rules and interfering with the flow of traffic. To be extra clear: I’m already overtaking a duo/trio and I’m doing so because they still haven’t yielded or gone single file.
        Dylan16807 5y ago
        To quote you more: > I’m talking about duos and trios just riding in sync having a conversation. > This happens way too frequently in some areas of where I cycle. Nobody calls them out on it either, except honking drivers. This post sure sounds like you think they already aren't following the rules by hanging out side to side, having a conversation for an extended period of time. If that's not what you meant, that you're only talking about when someone tries to pass, then okay I guess we're not in disagreement here. And let's not forget that you also said: > Cyclists going side-by-side in a single-lane (per-direction) is violating the rules. Which is only true on certain shapes of road, and the core of the rule is staying out of lanes when possible, even when they're already single-file. So I think any misunderstanding on my part is understandable and not purely my fault.
        nobodyandproud 5y ago
        HN isn’t letting me reply, so using this one. > This post sure sounds like you think they already aren't following the rules by hanging out side to side, having a conversation for an extended period of time. If that's not what you meant, that you're only talking about when someone tries to pass, then okay I guess we're not in disagreement here. I wonder what you think “overtaking” means, in the context of not impeding traffic. >And let's not forget that you also said: >> Cyclists going side-by-side in a single-lane (per-direction) is violating the rules. Which is only true on certain shapes of road, You mean like “….why are groups of cyclists going in rows of two or three in a *narrow service road* (40 to 50 mph speed limit).” > So I think any misunderstanding on my part is understandable and not purely my fault. Oh, it’s absolutely your fault. Context is everything.

Dylan16807 5y ago

But that doesn't say anything about side by side. It sounds like, when there is a usable edge, that rule both allows side by side on the edge and disallows single file in a lane.

nobodyandproud 5y ago
You must have missed this quoted section: “as to prevent undue interference with the flow of traffic” Nevermind that the road signs also say single file.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  No, I definitely didn't miss that part. If there's a wide bikeable shoulder, you could go side by side and still not interfere with traffic. If there's a narrow bikeable shoulder, you're forced into single file in it, in most cases. If there's no bikeable shoulder, then you're taking up the lane no matter what, and then those rules say nothing against being side by side except while being passed. The rule is not "go single file". The rule is "stay out of the lane when you can".
  - nobodyandproud 5y ago
    I’m afraid not. > https://www.bicycling.com/rides/a20026266/bicycle-safety-do-you-legally-have-to-ride-single-file/ https://www.bicycling.com/rides/a20026266/bicycle-safety-do-... > https://www.zifflaw.com/ny-bike-accident/bike-accident-attorney-addresses-rules-for-cycling-side-by-side-in-ny-state/ https://www.zifflaw.com/ny-bike-accident/bike-accident-attor... And this is assuming, again, that the municipality is silent on the matter. That is, some areas and roads can and do insist on single file. Or for that matter, that cyclists in twos aren’t forcing drivers to cross into the opposing traffic lane.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      > I’m afraid not. I have no idea which part of my post that's a response to. Especially because the first sentence of your second link is "Only three states allow bicyclists to ride side by side but require them to ride single file when being overtaken by a vehicle. New York is one of those states." allow bicyclists to ride side by side... Because, just to be extra clear again, the scenario you laid out earlier was complaining that they were side by side before any attempt at overtaking was happening.
      - nobodyandproud 5y ago
        Then that’s your misunderstanding. To quote myself: > It’s for their safety and courtesy, telling them that a car is passing because they (the cyclists) aren’t following the rules and interfering with the flow of traffic. To be extra clear: I’m already overtaking a duo/trio and I’m doing so because they still haven’t yielded or gone single file.
        Dylan16807 5y ago
        To quote you more: > I’m talking about duos and trios just riding in sync having a conversation. > This happens way too frequently in some areas of where I cycle. Nobody calls them out on it either, except honking drivers. This post sure sounds like you think they already aren't following the rules by hanging out side to side, having a conversation for an extended period of time. If that's not what you meant, that you're only talking about when someone tries to pass, then okay I guess we're not in disagreement here. And let's not forget that you also said: > Cyclists going side-by-side in a single-lane (per-direction) is violating the rules. Which is only true on certain shapes of road, and the core of the rule is staying out of lanes when possible, even when they're already single-file. So I think any misunderstanding on my part is understandable and not purely my fault.
      - nobodyandproud 5y ago
        HN isn’t letting me reply, so using this one. > This post sure sounds like you think they already aren't following the rules by hanging out side to side, having a conversation for an extended period of time. If that's not what you meant, that you're only talking about when someone tries to pass, then okay I guess we're not in disagreement here. I wonder what you think “overtaking” means, in the context of not impeding traffic. >And let's not forget that you also said: >> Cyclists going side-by-side in a single-lane (per-direction) is violating the rules. Which is only true on certain shapes of road, You mean like “….why are groups of cyclists going in rows of two or three in a *narrow service road* (40 to 50 mph speed limit).” > So I think any misunderstanding on my part is understandable and not purely my fault. Oh, it’s absolutely your fault. Context is everything.