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Russia is extraordinarily weak and is being put into a sandbox for containment purposes. They're a non-issue (other than the nukes). Trump wasn't elected becau

Russia is extraordinarily weak and is being put into a sandbox for containment purposes. They're a non-issue (other than the nukes). Trump wasn't elected because of Russia. He was elected because the voters were and are upset and he represented an opportunity to stab the establishment in the eye (whereas Hillary fully represented the establishment). Trump won for the same reason Bernie Sanders came so close to winning his party's nomination, and the establishment detests Trump for the same reason they dislike Sanders (even though he's far more palatable to them than Trump is, they still don't want him in power either). * please also note: just because the voters are upset and choose someone like Trump, that obviously doesn't mean they're acting rationally toward their own well-being, don't confuse the two things. They can be upset, they can be choosing something that isn't in their best interests in terms of solving their various problems (eg healthcare costs), and they can be throwing a voter tantrum (perceived anti-establishment), all in one.

loudmax 5y ago
Actually a lot of Americans detest Trump because he literally tried to stage a coup d'état on January 6th, 2021 to overthrow a democratically elected president.
- radicaldreamer 5y ago
  He/she was referring to the 2016 election...
radicaldreamer 5y ago
The Russia bogeyman was hyped by Democrats to distract from the fact that they got walloped in swing states and the midwest. It almost happened again in 2020 with a larger than expected chunk of latinos voting for Trump. Russia likely had a marginal effect in both elections, but you'd think they were brainwashing everyone into voting for Trump somehow based on the primary narrative being hyped.
- adventured 5y ago
  Russia had a negligible impact on the 2020 election, and Trump got 74 million votes. That says it all.
saiya-jin 5y ago
So why then he almost won second time? Can't be more pro-establishment than US president and billionaire. As an US outsider I really wish similar statements were true but I'll believe it only after elections. There are plenty of US folks who would ie vote for anybody who would keep their guns their own, no matter how ridiculous piece of s*t otherwise. And other polarizing topics where its easy to score some populist points.
- adventured 5y ago
  You're conflating how you view him and how the voters view him (those that voted for Trump). They don't see him as an insider President. They see him as an outsider non-politician and wrecking ball that is fought by the establishment at every turn.
- lazyier 5y ago
  Well if you are a US outsider you probably know a lot less about what is like to be in the US. Not understanding why Trump was considered a 'outsider' and 'non-establishment' is just a tip of the iceberg. It is very very easy to understand why people viewed him this way. If people don't know this then they don't know a lot of other things they should. One of the major reasons that Trump won was because he wasn't a professional politician. His competitors had somewhere between 20-50 years of being lying sacks of shit politicians. Almost none of them have any life experience outside of law and running for office. He had 0 years. So it was very easy for him to attack other people on their shitty track records and they couldn't act in kind. Once he had 4 years of being a lying sack of shit then it was easier for them to counter him. His original tactics were much less effective second time around.
  - krapp 5y ago
    >Once he had 4 years of being a lying sack of shit then it was easier for them to counter him Anyone who had even a cursory glance at Trump's history, particularly his legal history, already knew he was a lying sack of shit.

loudmax 5y ago

Actually a lot of Americans detest Trump because he literally tried to stage a coup d'état on January 6th, 2021 to overthrow a democratically elected president.

radicaldreamer 5y ago
He/she was referring to the 2016 election...

radicaldreamer 5y ago

The Russia bogeyman was hyped by Democrats to distract from the fact that they got walloped in swing states and the midwest. It almost happened again in 2020 with a larger than expected chunk of latinos voting for Trump. Russia likely had a marginal effect in both elections, but you'd think they were brainwashing everyone into voting for Trump somehow based on the primary narrative being hyped.

adventured 5y ago
Russia had a negligible impact on the 2020 election, and Trump got 74 million votes. That says it all.

saiya-jin 5y ago

So why then he almost won second time? Can't be more pro-establishment than US president and billionaire. As an US outsider I really wish similar statements were true but I'll believe it only after elections. There are plenty of US folks who would ie vote for anybody who would keep their guns their own, no matter how ridiculous piece of s*t otherwise. And other polarizing topics where its easy to score some populist points.

adventured 5y ago
You're conflating how you view him and how the voters view him (those that voted for Trump). They don't see him as an insider President. They see him as an outsider non-politician and wrecking ball that is fought by the establishment at every turn.
lazyier 5y ago
Well if you are a US outsider you probably know a lot less about what is like to be in the US. Not understanding why Trump was considered a 'outsider' and 'non-establishment' is just a tip of the iceberg. It is very very easy to understand why people viewed him this way. If people don't know this then they don't know a lot of other things they should. One of the major reasons that Trump won was because he wasn't a professional politician. His competitors had somewhere between 20-50 years of being lying sacks of shit politicians. Almost none of them have any life experience outside of law and running for office. He had 0 years. So it was very easy for him to attack other people on their shitty track records and they couldn't act in kind. Once he had 4 years of being a lying sack of shit then it was easier for them to counter him. His original tactics were much less effective second time around.
- krapp 5y ago
  >Once he had 4 years of being a lying sack of shit then it was easier for them to counter him Anyone who had even a cursory glance at Trump's history, particularly his legal history, already knew he was a lying sack of shit.