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I mean all stop signs. I have yet to see a single city where the vast majority of stop-sign-controlled intersections couldn’t have been better served with yield
by AuthorizedCust 5y ago
I mean all stop signs. I have yet to see a single city where the vast majority of stop-sign-controlled intersections couldn’t have been better served with yield signs.
Get rid of the vast majority of stop signs, and you’ve eliminated a huge amount of the problem this law seeks to solve.
- mywittyname 5y agoIs there data that you've read on this to back up your claims? I know there's a push to replace stop lights and signs with traffic circles. But I haven't heard the same for residential stop signs. I've just read that they prefer to eliminate 4-ways stops because 3-ways are much safer..
- cortesoft 5y agoHow are 3 way stops safer?
- mikepurvis 5y agoBecause the mentality is to stop, look, and wait for it to be clear, rather than stop and immediately just go. Stop and immediately go is particularly a problem for less visible road users like pedestrians and cyclists.
- cortesoft 5y agoNot sure how that would work where I am from… there are so many cars, the one direction that didn’t have the stop sign would be constantly full and the other three directions would just sit there.
- mikepurvis 5y agoAn intersection that busy should just be a traffic light though. All of these other measures are for managing flow at intersections where natural gaps exist and can be leveraged.
- bombcar 5y agoOr the speed reduced - you can handle a lot of traffic at an unsignaled intersection of both roads are slow enough. It’s when there’s a huge speed differential and no signaling that it becomes a problem as traffic gets higher.
- cortesoft 5y agoThese are in residential neighborhoods, and stop signs help prevent people from speeding, as well.
- mywittyname 5y agoNo cross traffic is the thinking, so the most dangerous situation - someone blowing through the stop sign at full speed - is less likely to be an issue, because it can only happen in on the road that's the top of the T, and since bottom of the T traffic always needs to stop, they are more likely to notice traffic that may blow through the sign. If you look at modern American suburban streets, you'll see this idea in action. Most intersections are 3-way vs the grid layout common in older areas.
- Dylan16807 5y agoSo they're asking for a redesign with 3-way intersections, not some weird setup where you remove one stop sign?
- cortesoft 5y agoMaybe I haven't seen 'modern' suburban streets, because all the suburbs I know have 4 way stops
- AuthorizedCust 5y ago> Is there data that you've read on this to back up your claims? There’s plenty of it. If you want to start from the pollution angle, consider the pollution caused by a stop/start rather than steady-speed cruise through the intersection. Enormous difference.
- TulliusCicero 5y ago> Is there data that you've read on this to back up your claims? Many other countries get by with far fewer stop signs and have far fewer traffic fatalities. Not sure if there's a causative relationship there, but it doesn't seem to be hurting.
- cortesoft 5y agoI can’t imagine any of the stop signs here in Los Angeles being able to be replaced by yield signs. They are almost all 4 way stops, with regular traffic in all directions. If you made it an uncontrolled intersection, or added a yield sign, the road with the yield sign would never get a chance to go. In fact, there are a number of places along my route to my daughters school where I take a slightly longer way to avoid the intersections without a 4 way stop because I would end up sitting forever trying to turn if I went to one of them.
- AuthorizedCust 5y agoYou may have identified some warranted stops. Congratulations! In my area, the vast majority of stop signs can be replaced by yield signs, to broad societal benefit.
- cortesoft 5y agoYeah, but the comment I replied to said: > I have yet to see a single city where the vast majority of stop-sign-controlled intersections couldn’t have been better served with yield signs. So I was giving an example of a city where that wasn’t the case. I never said all stop signs are necessary, I was only disputing the point that most stop signs in ALL cities aren’t necessary.
- bombcar 5y agoIn cities where there are streets - collectors - arterials you can remove almost all stop signs because the streets see little traffic. But cities like LA have grown so much that even if they had that at one point effectively every street is a parallel collector and so the traffic volumes are too high. The “rolling stop” is just proof that most intersections could be unsigned, and then use stop and yield to alert to specifically dangerous ones. If you rarely or never saw a stop sign, one appearing would be an awakening.
- bobthepanda 5y agoYou could replace with a roundabout.
- colordrops 5y agoYou haven't been to Sherman Oaks.