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This thread is amazingly good. Yishan’s observation is on the spot: All my left-wing woke friends are CONVINCED that the social media platforms uphold the whit

This thread is amazingly good. Yishan’s observation is on the spot: All my left-wing woke friends are CONVINCED that the social media platforms uphold the white supremacist misogynistic patriarchy, and they have plenty of screenshots and evidence of times when the platform has made enforcement decisions unfairly against innocuous things they've said, and let far more egregious sexist/racist violations by the other side pass. Woke friends: it's true, right? You have LOTS of examples. All my alt/center-right/libertarian friends are CONVINCED the social media platforms uphold the woke BLM/Marxist/LGBTQ agenda and they ALSO have plenty of screenshots and evidence of times when the platforms have made enforcement decisions unfair against them for innocuous things they've said merely questioning (in good faith) the woke orthodoxy, and let far more egregious violations by the other side stand. Right-wingers and libertarians: it's true, right? You can remember PLENTY of examples. Some interesting conclusion too: “They would like you (the users) to stop squabbling over stupid shit and causing drama so that they can spend their time writing more features and not have to adjudicate your stupid little fights.”

HideousKojima 5y ago
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  This is very clearly a bad comparison. BLM and LGBT pride rely publicly on positive imagery (regardless of negative examples), while white supremacy and misogyny are inherently negative (there are no positive examples). A more fair comparison (though there really isn't a perfect comparison) would be: Support for BLM and LGBT vs support for police and military. Or, on the negative side: Support for Stalinists and man haters vs support for white supremacists and misogynists. But you chose the less offensive side of "left" things vs the more offensive side of "right" things. Edit: Note that I have no idea what small supports (like logo changing) social media platforms have committed for any of these groups, left or right. I'm just criticizing your logic.
  - HideousKojima 5y ago
    >But you chose the less offensive side of "left" things vs the more offensive side of "right" things. I didn't choose them, those are the examples Yishan gave in his tweets
    - happytoexplain 5y ago
      He used those examples much more completely, in a more realistic comparison. I would quote it, but it's essentially the entire text hintymad quoted. For example, the phrase "woke BLM/Marxist/LGBTQ agenda" is referring to the bad side of those things (perceived and otherwise), not just e.g. support for gay or black people. He goes on to describe complaints not just of support for one or the other, but specifically the concept of imbalanced moderation between broader ideologies. Simply put, showing support for LGBT while declining to show support for white supremacy doesn't say much - it says almost nothing, in fact, and therefore can not be held against a person or entity as proof that they do or do not unfairly moderate between the broader cultural categories that those two things fall into. Twitter may certainly skew left (or progressive or liberal or whatever) on moderation calls, but your test is overly simplistic, and seems engineered more for provocation than information.
- notacoward 5y ago
  Has it occurred to you that the use of such symbols might be a bit different when supporting change vs. supporting the status quo? No symbol already supports the status quo, so how many days have the tech corps not changed their logos etc.? Don't reject the data point just because it fails to support your preferred (which is not to say realistic) narrative.
- beepbooptheory 5y ago
  I'm sorry, this is just beyond parody. A perfect distillation of HN brain. > These tech companies say they are unbiased, that they are not political, and yet they are always everywhere denouncing murder, never giving the murderers any symbolic support.
ec109685 5y ago
I disagree. I don’t think Twitter holds up any sort of white supremacy. It’s a bad example.

HideousKojima 5y ago

happytoexplain 5y ago
This is very clearly a bad comparison. BLM and LGBT pride rely publicly on positive imagery (regardless of negative examples), while white supremacy and misogyny are inherently negative (there are no positive examples). A more fair comparison (though there really isn't a perfect comparison) would be: Support for BLM and LGBT vs support for police and military. Or, on the negative side: Support for Stalinists and man haters vs support for white supremacists and misogynists. But you chose the less offensive side of "left" things vs the more offensive side of "right" things. Edit: Note that I have no idea what small supports (like logo changing) social media platforms have committed for any of these groups, left or right. I'm just criticizing your logic.
- HideousKojima 5y ago
  >But you chose the less offensive side of "left" things vs the more offensive side of "right" things. I didn't choose them, those are the examples Yishan gave in his tweets
  - happytoexplain 5y ago
    He used those examples much more completely, in a more realistic comparison. I would quote it, but it's essentially the entire text hintymad quoted. For example, the phrase "woke BLM/Marxist/LGBTQ agenda" is referring to the bad side of those things (perceived and otherwise), not just e.g. support for gay or black people. He goes on to describe complaints not just of support for one or the other, but specifically the concept of imbalanced moderation between broader ideologies. Simply put, showing support for LGBT while declining to show support for white supremacy doesn't say much - it says almost nothing, in fact, and therefore can not be held against a person or entity as proof that they do or do not unfairly moderate between the broader cultural categories that those two things fall into. Twitter may certainly skew left (or progressive or liberal or whatever) on moderation calls, but your test is overly simplistic, and seems engineered more for provocation than information.
notacoward 5y ago
Has it occurred to you that the use of such symbols might be a bit different when supporting change vs. supporting the status quo? No symbol already supports the status quo, so how many days have the tech corps not changed their logos etc.? Don't reject the data point just because it fails to support your preferred (which is not to say realistic) narrative.
beepbooptheory 5y ago
I'm sorry, this is just beyond parody. A perfect distillation of HN brain. > These tech companies say they are unbiased, that they are not political, and yet they are always everywhere denouncing murder, never giving the murderers any symbolic support.

ec109685 5y ago

I disagree. I don’t think Twitter holds up any sort of white supremacy. It’s a bad example.