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"Ukrainian soldiers on Snake Island, this is Russian Warship Moskva, surrender yourselves or die" "Russian warship Moskva, go fuck yourself" Then Moskva opene

"Ukrainian soldiers on Snake Island, this is Russian Warship Moskva, surrender yourselves or die" "Russian warship Moskva, go fuck yourself" Then Moskva opened fire. Everyone on the island was (edit) captured. Guess where Moskva is now? At the bottom of the ocean. The Ukrainians are so badass.

bhouston 5y ago
> Then Moskva opened fire and killed everyone on the island. I understand they didn't die and were just taken prisoner. See: https://www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088593653/snake-island-sailors-freed-prisoner-swap https://www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088593653/snake-island-sailo...
- bnt 5y ago
  Weren't all of them recovered? Or is everything misinformation these days?
  - mechanical_bear 5y ago
    Not necessarily “misinformation” exactly, so much as just general “fog of war”.
    - RC_ITR 5y ago
      From Wikipedia: Misinformation is incorrect or misleading information presented as fact, either intentionally or unintentionally. Disinformation is a subset of misinformation, that which is deliberately deceptive. So yes 'misinformation' no 'disinformation' Isn't English just such a utilitarian language?
      - mechanical_bear 5y ago
        Yes, well in my opinion, speaking as a published researcher in mis and disinformation: I have seen better definitions, usually something to the effect where it’s false information that runs contrary to known fact at the time of the claims being made. At the time, they thought the personnel were dead.
        RC_ITR 5y ago
        I'm struggling to parse what you're saying: are you saying that's the definition for misinformation or disinformation? Because misinformation is a very old word that just means incorrect information [0] that sounds a lot like relatively new word [1] disinformation that means intentionally spreading misinformation. [0]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misinformation https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misinformation [1]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disinformation https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disinformation EDIT: Just to circle back here and really make my point clear. It appears we agree that the claim is 'misinformation' because it is incorrect. But that is not what you stated in the GP comment (which is what caused me to point out the mis/dis distinction in the first place)
        mechanical_bear 5y ago
        Disinformation is where the information being propagated is done with the intent to deceive. Misinformation is whereby the information being propagated is not done with the intent to deceive BUT it does run counter to what is widely known as true. The soldiers being alive, whilst being announced as dead was not done with intent to deceive (presumably), and did not run counter to widely known information, therefore it was neither disinformation nor misinformation. It was simply incorrect due to the chaos of war. Not all incorrect statements are “misinformation”.
        RC_ITR 5y ago
        Your definition of misinformation runs counter to almost every source I can find. If you have a published work that makes it more clear maybe that would help, but it seems wrong that “widely known” is the litmus test, especially when, by definition, the status of those people was not widely known at the time. It seems like your definition of “misinformation” is very susceptible to the “appeal to authority” fallacy and therefore makes it a not very useful word (i.e. does one Russian general saying something incorrect make the information not misinformation?) EDIT: sorry to hammer the edit feature, but to that end, if more than 50% of humans believe that God punishes those who sin, does saying “God did x to punish y group” then not equate to misinformation?
  - _moof 5y ago
    They were taken prisoner, and later given back to Ukraine in a prisoner swap.
volkadav 5y ago
turns out the garrison was captured and later exchanged in a prisoner swap, so they made it out alive :) https://www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088593653/snake-island-sailors-freed-prisoner-swap https://www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088593653/snake-island-sailo...
- sebastianconcpt 5y ago
  Now I want to fantasize them being the ones pressing the fire button of these neptunes.
eps 5y ago
As colorful as it was, the context of that island episode is that none of the soldiers on the island actually died. They were all taken as PoWs by the Russians.
- amelius 5y ago
  I hope they were not on that ship still.
- dotopotoro 5y ago
  - TylerLives 5y ago
    "Russian warship, go fuck yourself" surrenders I don't understand this.
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bhouston 5y ago

> Then Moskva opened fire and killed everyone on the island. I understand they didn't die and were just taken prisoner. See: https://www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088593653/snake-island-sailors-freed-prisoner-swap https://www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088593653/snake-island-sailo...

bnt 5y ago
Weren't all of them recovered? Or is everything misinformation these days?
- mechanical_bear 5y ago
  Not necessarily “misinformation” exactly, so much as just general “fog of war”.
  - RC_ITR 5y ago
    From Wikipedia: Misinformation is incorrect or misleading information presented as fact, either intentionally or unintentionally. Disinformation is a subset of misinformation, that which is deliberately deceptive. So yes 'misinformation' no 'disinformation' Isn't English just such a utilitarian language?
    - mechanical_bear 5y ago
      Yes, well in my opinion, speaking as a published researcher in mis and disinformation: I have seen better definitions, usually something to the effect where it’s false information that runs contrary to known fact at the time of the claims being made. At the time, they thought the personnel were dead.
      - RC_ITR 5y ago
        I'm struggling to parse what you're saying: are you saying that's the definition for misinformation or disinformation? Because misinformation is a very old word that just means incorrect information [0] that sounds a lot like relatively new word [1] disinformation that means intentionally spreading misinformation. [0]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misinformation https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misinformation [1]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disinformation https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disinformation EDIT: Just to circle back here and really make my point clear. It appears we agree that the claim is 'misinformation' because it is incorrect. But that is not what you stated in the GP comment (which is what caused me to point out the mis/dis distinction in the first place)
        mechanical_bear 5y ago
        Disinformation is where the information being propagated is done with the intent to deceive. Misinformation is whereby the information being propagated is not done with the intent to deceive BUT it does run counter to what is widely known as true. The soldiers being alive, whilst being announced as dead was not done with intent to deceive (presumably), and did not run counter to widely known information, therefore it was neither disinformation nor misinformation. It was simply incorrect due to the chaos of war. Not all incorrect statements are “misinformation”.
        RC_ITR 5y ago
        Your definition of misinformation runs counter to almost every source I can find. If you have a published work that makes it more clear maybe that would help, but it seems wrong that “widely known” is the litmus test, especially when, by definition, the status of those people was not widely known at the time. It seems like your definition of “misinformation” is very susceptible to the “appeal to authority” fallacy and therefore makes it a not very useful word (i.e. does one Russian general saying something incorrect make the information not misinformation?) EDIT: sorry to hammer the edit feature, but to that end, if more than 50% of humans believe that God punishes those who sin, does saying “God did x to punish y group” then not equate to misinformation?
- _moof 5y ago
  They were taken prisoner, and later given back to Ukraine in a prisoner swap.

volkadav 5y ago

turns out the garrison was captured and later exchanged in a prisoner swap, so they made it out alive :) https://www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088593653/snake-island-sailors-freed-prisoner-swap https://www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088593653/snake-island-sailo...

sebastianconcpt 5y ago
Now I want to fantasize them being the ones pressing the fire button of these neptunes.

eps 5y ago

As colorful as it was, the context of that island episode is that none of the soldiers on the island actually died. They were all taken as PoWs by the Russians.

amelius 5y ago
I hope they were not on that ship still.
dotopotoro 5y ago
- TylerLives 5y ago
  "Russian warship, go fuck yourself" surrenders I don't understand this.

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