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Hitler’s Teeth Confirm He Died in 1945 (2018)

90 points by rmason 5y ago

8bitsrule 5y ago
Hitler's body died in 1945. Ideas can live longer.
- hatware 5y ago
  What about CLONES?
  - The_rationalist 5y ago
  - jjtheblunt 5y ago
    A technology that came fifty years later?
    - beej71 5y ago
      Or _did_ it?
      - jjtheblunt 5y ago
        :)
  - rdiddly 5y ago
    Ancient alien theorists say yes.
- ichugwindex 5y ago
  Conspiracy theorist logic: Its a long con. Hitler is just fine in South America, albeit missing his jaw and piece of his skull. Pieces of evidence intentionally left for misdirection.
paxys 5y ago
> “The teeth are authentic, there is no possible doubt. Our study proves that Hitler died in 1945," Philippe Charlier, lead author of the study in the European Journal of Internal Medicine, tells AFP. “We can stop all the conspiracy theories about Hitler. He did not flee to Argentina in a submarine, he is not in a hidden base in Antarctica or on the dark side of the moon.” It's pretty naive to think that a study like this one will do anything to shut up conspiracy theorists. You verified the dental records? Well teeth on the body could be easily altered. How are you sure of the records in the first place? Hospitals didn't have good record keeping in the early 1900s, so chances are you don't have the original data. Oh and why should we trust this "expert"? He's probably working with the establishment. And so on and so forth..
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  The word "naive" gets thrown around a lot when dealing with apparent expectations about apparent human irrationality. I find it's usually uncalled for. In this case, saying "We can stop all the conspiracy theories" does not mean that he thinks they will stop.
- bananamerica 5y ago
  Conspiracy theorists are usually impervious to evidence. They'll simply adjust their stories.
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  The fact that the records are so well known would also mean someone could create a fake set, using teeth and materials scavenged from the time
  - braziljunge 5y ago
    Alternatively, one could assume a false record for dentistry matching to someone else. At a nation-state level, this would certainly be a reasonable level of “attack.” Could come either from German or Soviet assets, both having possible motive. One wonders how the Bin Laden disposal will play in the future. Perhaps similarly...
- 5y ago
TazeTSchnitzel 5y ago
I was expecting this to be about radionuclides somehow.
DoreenMichele 5y ago
Eh, the bodies were burned on purpose to prevent public desecration. Then officials apparently seeded the idea of his escape. This will never be put to rest. It's a little like that scene in Terminator where the shrink says something like "It's brilliant. It doesn't require a shred of proof!"
pastor_bob 5y ago
Apparently Russians have his skull. Can't they just do DNA analysis?
- jjtheblunt 5y ago
  They would need a family member to compare similarity with; does such exist?
  - rightbyte 5y ago
    He had a half-brother, Alois Hitler, that has living descendants.
  - lb1lf 5y ago
    I believe Hitler's relatives made an oath to let the family die out, not having any children - but presumably there are remains to be dug up if you really want to put the case to death (pun intended). Additionally, surely there must be objects with excellent provenance containing Hitler's DNA?
    - mardifoufs 5y ago
      Why would they do that assuming it's true? That's a bit fucked up to be honest but I guess the feeling of guilt can be overpowering. And I can't really imagine a better reason for feeling guilty than being related to Hitler (even if it's irrational, considering at least some of his family members barely had any contact with him)
      - sammalloy 5y ago
        > Why would they do that assuming it's true? That's a bit fucked up to be honest but I guess the feeling of guilt can be overpowering. This kind of agreement is incredibly common in families with histories of mental illness, drug abuse, criminality, and other major issues. I know dozens of people who have all agreed to never have children for this and various other reasons, and half of them are in long-term, committed relationships or married. In at least one instance, I’ve seen the DNA analysis and the family tree. This particular family has a known gene for heightened intelligence (related to Scandinavian heritage, it’s well known, you can look it up), and their family has an uncanny predilection towards careers involving mathematics stretching back over a century. I’ve seen this ability with my own eyes. It’s uncanny and bordering on savantism. The problem is, in as much as their genetics gives them a head start towards math, it is also heavily weighted towards certain forms of sociopathy/psychopathy and criminality; their family tree is heavy with addictive disorders, extreme religiosity, murder, substance abuse, and mental illness. The youngest member of their family is currently in prison as a recidivist. He’s only 27. I don’t see it as "fucked up" at all for these people to stop having children; they are trying to be socially responsible for their progeny, some of which may have a genetic predisposition towards bad behavior. The philosophy of movements like antinatalism and childfree are rooted in these ideas and seek to make the world better with less humans.
archhn 5y ago
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- DoreenMichele 5y ago
  I'm sure my comment will be deleted because only offical narratives are permitted here. It might get flagged to death by users but unless you delete it, it's unlikely to be deleted. You might try using your "I see dead comments" goggles to fact check this assertion.
  - archhn 5y ago
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  - hatware 5y ago
    I can't see what they've typed. Pretty eerie.
    - Sanzig 5y ago
      Go to your user profile -> showdead=yes -> update. You're not missing much in this case.
endisneigh 5y ago
I’ve always wondered about these sort of studies. If I gave these people a tooth they’d be able to figure out my current age accurately?
- fnordpiglet 5y ago
  They used chain of custody of the teeth to establish time of death. They used the dental records to establish they were the same teeth as Hitlers.
  - WJW 5y ago
    Not that I have any reason to doubt it, but is there a chain of custody for the dental records too? Also do we have a chain of custody proving the keepers of the chain of custody were themselves trustworthy? etc etc etc A fool can ask more questions than even the wise can answer, which is why conspiracy theories are so persistent.
V__ 5y ago
Thank god, I was really worried there for a second.
ComradePhil 5y ago
Russia is lying about Ukraine at the moment but the Soviet Union was telling the truth and only truth when it was attacking Germany in 1945? OK.
- sofixa 5y ago
  It certainly fits all that we know about Hitler and his his last days, and the Soviets had zero reason to lie about Hitler, they hated his guts.
  - ComradePhil 5y ago
    >they hated his guts That sounds like a lot of reasons to lie about him.
The_rationalist 5y ago
riffic 5y ago
was this in dispute?
legitster 5y ago
When I was younger, I loved the idea that Hitler secretly escaped. I'm not sure why - it's certainly an interesting idea! The theory was even mentioned often in some of my school books. But even then I clearly understood that it was a pretty outlandish "what if" scenario.
- oscargrouch 5y ago
  i was born in a city near a german colony in the south of Brazil where a lot of germans from the 20's, 30's and later 40's arrived (which is unusual giving german colonies in Brazil are mostly from people of the late 1800's). Anyway my father swore that he saw "an old man that looked a lot like Hitler without the mustache" in the 80's in that colony. And its funny because its like those stories about people that have seen alien ships, you know is very unlikely but you never stop to wonder, "what if..". Well now there's no doubt that it was just a Hitler lookalike (poor man). Also, one thing that always looked of in those theories is the fact that a man with the psychology of Hitler would be able to live a very simple life with such big regrets and big dreams smashed, seeing how much he was hated (remember, he was a narcissist) til old age. It always seemed unlikely to me, "not like hitler", while the suicide seems much more believable.
- mordechai9000 5y ago
  This reminds of the classic Heinlein story, Rocket Ship Galileo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Ship_Galileo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Ship_Galileo I remember the plot was a little outlandish to me even when I 11 years old: All American kids team up with a brilliant scientist and build a rocket to the moon, where they discover and defeat a secret Nazi moon base.
  - lsllc 5y ago
    Have you seen Iron Sky? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/
andai 5y ago
(2018)
nr2x 5y ago
Can we get a look at Putins teeth?
- trhway 5y ago
  Between his cosmetic surgeries and frequent usage of doppelgangers in various situations (like even driving the "opening" truck across the Crimean bridge, etc.) good luck knowing whose teeth that would be. When we finally have Nuremberg II for the Russian Nazism, unfortunately i'm sure that would be not a real Putin there, while the real one will be enjoying his billions somewhere else.
rufus_foreman 5y ago
I read somewhere that they saved Hitler's cock. Hid it under a rock.
naruhodo 5y ago
According to this documentary [1], he is very much alive. [1] <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFzCQcHglFA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFzCQcHglFA>

90 points by rmason 5y ago

8bitsrule 5y ago

Hitler's body died in 1945. Ideas can live longer.

hatware 5y ago
What about CLONES?
- The_rationalist 5y ago
- jjtheblunt 5y ago
  A technology that came fifty years later?
  - beej71 5y ago
    Or _did_ it?
    - jjtheblunt 5y ago
      :)
- rdiddly 5y ago
  Ancient alien theorists say yes.
ichugwindex 5y ago
Conspiracy theorist logic: Its a long con. Hitler is just fine in South America, albeit missing his jaw and piece of his skull. Pieces of evidence intentionally left for misdirection.

paxys 5y ago

> “The teeth are authentic, there is no possible doubt. Our study proves that Hitler died in 1945," Philippe Charlier, lead author of the study in the European Journal of Internal Medicine, tells AFP. “We can stop all the conspiracy theories about Hitler. He did not flee to Argentina in a submarine, he is not in a hidden base in Antarctica or on the dark side of the moon.” It's pretty naive to think that a study like this one will do anything to shut up conspiracy theorists. You verified the dental records? Well teeth on the body could be easily altered. How are you sure of the records in the first place? Hospitals didn't have good record keeping in the early 1900s, so chances are you don't have the original data. Oh and why should we trust this "expert"? He's probably working with the establishment. And so on and so forth..

happytoexplain 5y ago
The word "naive" gets thrown around a lot when dealing with apparent expectations about apparent human irrationality. I find it's usually uncalled for. In this case, saying "We can stop all the conspiracy theories" does not mean that he thinks they will stop.
bananamerica 5y ago
Conspiracy theorists are usually impervious to evidence. They'll simply adjust their stories.
oh_sigh 5y ago
The fact that the records are so well known would also mean someone could create a fake set, using teeth and materials scavenged from the time
- braziljunge 5y ago
  Alternatively, one could assume a false record for dentistry matching to someone else. At a nation-state level, this would certainly be a reasonable level of “attack.” Could come either from German or Soviet assets, both having possible motive. One wonders how the Bin Laden disposal will play in the future. Perhaps similarly...
5y ago

TazeTSchnitzel 5y ago

I was expecting this to be about radionuclides somehow.

DoreenMichele 5y ago

Eh, the bodies were burned on purpose to prevent public desecration. Then officials apparently seeded the idea of his escape. This will never be put to rest. It's a little like that scene in Terminator where the shrink says something like "It's brilliant. It doesn't require a shred of proof!"

pastor_bob 5y ago

Apparently Russians have his skull. Can't they just do DNA analysis?

jjtheblunt 5y ago
They would need a family member to compare similarity with; does such exist?
- rightbyte 5y ago
  He had a half-brother, Alois Hitler, that has living descendants.
- lb1lf 5y ago
  I believe Hitler's relatives made an oath to let the family die out, not having any children - but presumably there are remains to be dug up if you really want to put the case to death (pun intended). Additionally, surely there must be objects with excellent provenance containing Hitler's DNA?
  - mardifoufs 5y ago
    Why would they do that assuming it's true? That's a bit fucked up to be honest but I guess the feeling of guilt can be overpowering. And I can't really imagine a better reason for feeling guilty than being related to Hitler (even if it's irrational, considering at least some of his family members barely had any contact with him)
    - sammalloy 5y ago
      > Why would they do that assuming it's true? That's a bit fucked up to be honest but I guess the feeling of guilt can be overpowering. This kind of agreement is incredibly common in families with histories of mental illness, drug abuse, criminality, and other major issues. I know dozens of people who have all agreed to never have children for this and various other reasons, and half of them are in long-term, committed relationships or married. In at least one instance, I’ve seen the DNA analysis and the family tree. This particular family has a known gene for heightened intelligence (related to Scandinavian heritage, it’s well known, you can look it up), and their family has an uncanny predilection towards careers involving mathematics stretching back over a century. I’ve seen this ability with my own eyes. It’s uncanny and bordering on savantism. The problem is, in as much as their genetics gives them a head start towards math, it is also heavily weighted towards certain forms of sociopathy/psychopathy and criminality; their family tree is heavy with addictive disorders, extreme religiosity, murder, substance abuse, and mental illness. The youngest member of their family is currently in prison as a recidivist. He’s only 27. I don’t see it as "fucked up" at all for these people to stop having children; they are trying to be socially responsible for their progeny, some of which may have a genetic predisposition towards bad behavior. The philosophy of movements like antinatalism and childfree are rooted in these ideas and seek to make the world better with less humans.

archhn 5y ago

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DoreenMichele 5y ago
I'm sure my comment will be deleted because only offical narratives are permitted here. It might get flagged to death by users but unless you delete it, it's unlikely to be deleted. You might try using your "I see dead comments" goggles to fact check this assertion.
- archhn 5y ago
  [flagged]
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- hatware 5y ago
  I can't see what they've typed. Pretty eerie.
  - Sanzig 5y ago
    Go to your user profile -> showdead=yes -> update. You're not missing much in this case.

endisneigh 5y ago

I’ve always wondered about these sort of studies. If I gave these people a tooth they’d be able to figure out my current age accurately?

fnordpiglet 5y ago
They used chain of custody of the teeth to establish time of death. They used the dental records to establish they were the same teeth as Hitlers.
- WJW 5y ago
  Not that I have any reason to doubt it, but is there a chain of custody for the dental records too? Also do we have a chain of custody proving the keepers of the chain of custody were themselves trustworthy? etc etc etc A fool can ask more questions than even the wise can answer, which is why conspiracy theories are so persistent.

V__ 5y ago

Thank god, I was really worried there for a second.

ComradePhil 5y ago

Russia is lying about Ukraine at the moment but the Soviet Union was telling the truth and only truth when it was attacking Germany in 1945? OK.

sofixa 5y ago
It certainly fits all that we know about Hitler and his his last days, and the Soviets had zero reason to lie about Hitler, they hated his guts.
- ComradePhil 5y ago
  >they hated his guts That sounds like a lot of reasons to lie about him.

The_rationalist 5y ago

riffic 5y ago

was this in dispute?

legitster 5y ago

When I was younger, I loved the idea that Hitler secretly escaped. I'm not sure why - it's certainly an interesting idea! The theory was even mentioned often in some of my school books. But even then I clearly understood that it was a pretty outlandish "what if" scenario.

oscargrouch 5y ago
i was born in a city near a german colony in the south of Brazil where a lot of germans from the 20's, 30's and later 40's arrived (which is unusual giving german colonies in Brazil are mostly from people of the late 1800's). Anyway my father swore that he saw "an old man that looked a lot like Hitler without the mustache" in the 80's in that colony. And its funny because its like those stories about people that have seen alien ships, you know is very unlikely but you never stop to wonder, "what if..". Well now there's no doubt that it was just a Hitler lookalike (poor man). Also, one thing that always looked of in those theories is the fact that a man with the psychology of Hitler would be able to live a very simple life with such big regrets and big dreams smashed, seeing how much he was hated (remember, he was a narcissist) til old age. It always seemed unlikely to me, "not like hitler", while the suicide seems much more believable.
mordechai9000 5y ago
This reminds of the classic Heinlein story, Rocket Ship Galileo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Ship_Galileo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Ship_Galileo I remember the plot was a little outlandish to me even when I 11 years old: All American kids team up with a brilliant scientist and build a rocket to the moon, where they discover and defeat a secret Nazi moon base.
- lsllc 5y ago
  Have you seen Iron Sky? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/

andai 5y ago

(2018)

nr2x 5y ago

Can we get a look at Putins teeth?

trhway 5y ago
Between his cosmetic surgeries and frequent usage of doppelgangers in various situations (like even driving the "opening" truck across the Crimean bridge, etc.) good luck knowing whose teeth that would be. When we finally have Nuremberg II for the Russian Nazism, unfortunately i'm sure that would be not a real Putin there, while the real one will be enjoying his billions somewhere else.

rufus_foreman 5y ago

I read somewhere that they saved Hitler's cock. Hid it under a rock.

naruhodo 5y ago

According to this documentary [1], he is very much alive. [1] <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFzCQcHglFA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFzCQcHglFA>