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Maybe you're a very high profile individual that this matters beyond paranoia? I've always used my name for signups, and I have a very unique name, probably the

by warent 5y ago

Maybe you're a very high profile individual that this matters beyond paranoia? I've always used my name for signups, and I have a very unique name, probably the only one on the whole planet. It has affected my life in no meaningful / noticeably negative way.

beckman466 5y ago
same.
inetknght 5y ago
> Maybe you're a very high profile individual that this matters beyond paranoia? You can call it paranoia. I'd call it a healthy value of privacy. Nothing stops a company from taking your name from your credit card and using it to build/sell shadow profiles except their word. Companies' words aren't worth shit.
rsync 5y ago
The reason I do this is that there are fascinating and unpredictable interactions between behavior and identity that extend out into the indeterminate future. If we assume this information persists forever - and we might as well - it represents infinite liability and risk whereas the mitigations I have proposed cost almost nothing. Or, to put it another way, it's very cheap insurance.
- kcb 5y ago
  Life is finite
  - royaltjames 5y ago
    Data is forever
    - nicholasjarnold 5y ago
      "A datum is forever" - De Nerds circa 2022, inspired by a quip from one royaltjames of the same era I like this a lot more than the De Beers campaign popularized in the late 1940s[0]! [0]: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/02/have-you-ever-tried-to-sell-a-diamond/304575/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/02/have-yo...
  - mathrawka 5y ago
    A life span is finite, but your life during the life span is infinite. See chaos theory's infinitely long line in a finite-sized circle
    - deleted 5y ago
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- warent 5y ago
  You're saying the word "unpredictable" but with cognitive dissonance, because you are predicting disaster. If it is truly unpredictable, then you may be diminishing something which may actually be beneficial and necessary in the future. This obfuscated data which may or may not be linked to you (or the lack of data entirely, a void which certainly is linked to you) is itself forever persistent and represents its own infinite liability. Not to say that you're wrong or right, just pointing out that your claim of somehow rising above this system is bogus. No matter what we do, our mark (be it a shadow profile or a void) is left, and perceptions will form around it that cannot be predicted.
  - kenjackson 5y ago
    Or even worse -- behaviors that attempt to hide identity may in the future be the exact sort of thing they use to do forensic sweeps. Unfortunately, I think that is just as likely as anything else.
rhn_mk1 5y ago
Collecting personal data is insidious: it doesn't manifest itself until it does. It's no different from having your password leaked, or from having your mortgage application rejected for opaque reasons. The data is there, silently, stored for a future use which may come at an unpredictable time.
mvkel 5y ago
Can you guarantee that will be the case at any point in the future?

by warent 5y ago

beckman466 5y ago

same.

inetknght 5y ago

> Maybe you're a very high profile individual that this matters beyond paranoia? You can call it paranoia. I'd call it a healthy value of privacy. Nothing stops a company from taking your name from your credit card and using it to build/sell shadow profiles except their word. Companies' words aren't worth shit.

rsync 5y ago

The reason I do this is that there are fascinating and unpredictable interactions between behavior and identity that extend out into the indeterminate future. If we assume this information persists forever - and we might as well - it represents infinite liability and risk whereas the mitigations I have proposed cost almost nothing. Or, to put it another way, it's very cheap insurance.

kcb 5y ago
Life is finite
- royaltjames 5y ago
  Data is forever
  - nicholasjarnold 5y ago
    "A datum is forever" - De Nerds circa 2022, inspired by a quip from one royaltjames of the same era I like this a lot more than the De Beers campaign popularized in the late 1940s[0]! [0]: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/02/have-you-ever-tried-to-sell-a-diamond/304575/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/02/have-yo...
- mathrawka 5y ago
  A life span is finite, but your life during the life span is infinite. See chaos theory's infinitely long line in a finite-sized circle
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
warent 5y ago
You're saying the word "unpredictable" but with cognitive dissonance, because you are predicting disaster. If it is truly unpredictable, then you may be diminishing something which may actually be beneficial and necessary in the future. This obfuscated data which may or may not be linked to you (or the lack of data entirely, a void which certainly is linked to you) is itself forever persistent and represents its own infinite liability. Not to say that you're wrong or right, just pointing out that your claim of somehow rising above this system is bogus. No matter what we do, our mark (be it a shadow profile or a void) is left, and perceptions will form around it that cannot be predicted.
- kenjackson 5y ago
  Or even worse -- behaviors that attempt to hide identity may in the future be the exact sort of thing they use to do forensic sweeps. Unfortunately, I think that is just as likely as anything else.

rhn_mk1 5y ago

Collecting personal data is insidious: it doesn't manifest itself until it does. It's no different from having your password leaked, or from having your mortgage application rejected for opaque reasons. The data is there, silently, stored for a future use which may come at an unpredictable time.

mvkel 5y ago

Can you guarantee that will be the case at any point in the future?