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What is it that you think is good or bad for the rest of humanity about this potential sale?

by kebman 5y ago

coolso 5y ago
- andrepd 5y ago
  I've read this 3 times and I still don't understand what you're trying to say.
  - boppo1 5y ago
    He's saying Twitter is very left-leaning and censors criticism of progressive tweets.
    - andrepd 5y ago
      But isn't this demonstrably false? (Not even to mention that "progressive" in this context seems to mean something very different from the dictionary definition).
      - water8 5y ago
        Just as much as it's demonstrably true.
      - jokethrowaway 5y ago
        Which Twitter are you using? Pick up any conservative YouTube video talking about social media and you'll see plenty of examples. One example that comes to mind is Hunter Biden's laptop (recently confirmed as true, even by left wing publications) being censured vs all the Trump's Russian allegations (which didn't go anywhere) which weren't.
        SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
        > recently confirmed as true, even by left wing publications Sorry, the existence of said laptop, or all the wild conspiracy theories attached to it? You need to bound in your definition of "true" here a bit.
  - KarlKemp 5y ago
  - cockfacts 5y ago
  - coolso 5y ago
    Many of the silliest progressive ideas are being / have been normalized thanks to Big Tech and the establishment doing one or more of three things: 1) actively censoring people who speak out against them 2) preventing discussions from happening in the first place (comments disabled, dislikes hidden) 3) actively promoting the ideal progressive version of the idea to cut down on dissent Take the pronouns thing. Every other Instagram account of a female has her official pronouns (which you may only choose from a list of officially allowed ones so as to cut down on dissent via things like “your majesty / his highness”) set to she/her. I’m sorry but we all know you’re a woman. Why are you putting your pronouns up? The idea is a preposterous one; don’t even get anyone started on the they/them abomination. And yet dissent and mockery of this abject stupidity is largely censored. As a result it’s bleeding out into the real world. I hang in very progressive social circles. Trust me when I tell you, you do not want this reality. Their lives are defined by their progressive causes and perceived slights and micro aggressions. Every introduction “must” involve your pronouns and if you “forget” them they will innocently ask you of them. As a result people are bumbling pronouns all the time, I cannot tell you how many times even the pronoun experts start to say “she” or “he” in casual conversation referring to someone but then panic and stutter and say “they” because they can’t quite remember what pronoun this particular person wants to go by today or if they’re a they/them who despises people who feel like they should be able to speak freely without knowing they’re very, very special and are too special to go by a binary pronoun. Mockery is the best defense against stupidity. Which is why it’s under such a big threat. And it’s why Elon is taking over Twitter.
    - akomtu 5y ago
      Some relevant offtopic here. Long time ago I came across a book of occult nature that, among other things, outlined 6 soul types, one of them being a curiously accurate portait of what we call wokeness now: ...individualised by vanity were born into city populations, and life after life they tended to drift together by similarity of tastes and contempt for others, even though their dominating idiosyncrasy of vanity led to much quarrelling and often-repeated ruptures among themselves. Separateness became much intensified, their minds strengthening in an undesirable way, and becoming more and more of a shell, shutting out others. Their emotions, as they repressed animal passions, grew less powerful, for the animal passions were starved out by a hard and cold asceticism, instead of being transmuted into human emotions; sex-passion, for instance, was destroyed instead of being changed into love. The result was that they had less feeling, birth after birth, and physically tended towards sexlessness, and while they developed individualism to a high point, this very development led to constant quarrels and rioting. They formed communities, but these broke up again, because no one would obey; each wanted to rule. Any attempt to help or guide them, on the part of more highly developed people, led to an outburst of jealousy and resentment, it being taken as a plan to manage or belittle them. Pride grew stronger and stronger, and they became cold and calculating, without pity and without remorse.
  - nonethewiser 5y ago
    Then there is nothing anyone can do for you.
- bobkazamakis 5y ago
  > Free speech is dangerous; without censorship, progressive ideas cannot propagate because people can then make them look as silly as they truly are. By this definition, the US never would have abolished slavery. Those who praise conservative ideas always put those ideas in a vacuum where they can't be proven wrong. Fascinating, isn't it?
  - water8 5y ago
    This is kinda riding on past accomplishments of the Republican party. Progress for progress's sake isn't always progress
    - bobkazamakis 5y ago
      the statement asserted has nothing to do with any specific party at any specific point in period. This is an example of progress during an era of which, apparently, free speech was unquestioned. The past accomplishments of the Republican party much more closely mirror the current Democratic party due to the Southern Strategy, but again, not relevant to the point being made. > Progress for progress's sake isn't always progress then it's definitively not progressive, isn't it? Conservation is a reactive stance, not an active one.
      - water8 5y ago
        Imagine someone sets fire to a masterpiece, art conservatives don't take a reactive stance and say "hey you shouldn't have done that", they take an active stance using safeguards to ensure that it doesn't happen in the first place because it can't be undone.
metamet 5y ago
You can criticize Twitter's leadership all you want, but I don't see how allowing Elon Musk to take ownership control of Twitter would better humanity.
- kebman 5y ago
  Yes, I do hold some criticisms against Twitter leadership, true, but I'm also fascinated by your view. So I wonder, what if I'm wrong? And then it would be really helpful to see your argument, if you have one. I'm on the fence on a number of things, so this is really your chance to change my mind. And if you do, I might do stuff like investing in Twitter right now, instead of waiting for Musk to take over. Just an example. I'm not saying I will, but it would be a logical next thing to do if you convince me. If not, then I'll probably just wait like everyone else.
- JCharante 5y ago
  and not allowing him to take control would better humanity? I wanted to eat dinner today but I don't see how that would better humanity. I don't see why humanity should be taken into considerating when it's irrelevant. Most people don't even use twitter.

What is it that you think is good or bad for the rest of humanity about this potential sale?

by kebman 5y ago

What is it that you think is good or bad for the rest of humanity about this potential sale?

coolso 5y ago

andrepd 5y ago
I've read this 3 times and I still don't understand what you're trying to say.
- boppo1 5y ago
  He's saying Twitter is very left-leaning and censors criticism of progressive tweets.
  - andrepd 5y ago
    But isn't this demonstrably false? (Not even to mention that "progressive" in this context seems to mean something very different from the dictionary definition).
    - water8 5y ago
      Just as much as it's demonstrably true.
    - jokethrowaway 5y ago
      Which Twitter are you using? Pick up any conservative YouTube video talking about social media and you'll see plenty of examples. One example that comes to mind is Hunter Biden's laptop (recently confirmed as true, even by left wing publications) being censured vs all the Trump's Russian allegations (which didn't go anywhere) which weren't.
      - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
        > recently confirmed as true, even by left wing publications Sorry, the existence of said laptop, or all the wild conspiracy theories attached to it? You need to bound in your definition of "true" here a bit.
- KarlKemp 5y ago
- cockfacts 5y ago
- coolso 5y ago
  Many of the silliest progressive ideas are being / have been normalized thanks to Big Tech and the establishment doing one or more of three things: 1) actively censoring people who speak out against them 2) preventing discussions from happening in the first place (comments disabled, dislikes hidden) 3) actively promoting the ideal progressive version of the idea to cut down on dissent Take the pronouns thing. Every other Instagram account of a female has her official pronouns (which you may only choose from a list of officially allowed ones so as to cut down on dissent via things like “your majesty / his highness”) set to she/her. I’m sorry but we all know you’re a woman. Why are you putting your pronouns up? The idea is a preposterous one; don’t even get anyone started on the they/them abomination. And yet dissent and mockery of this abject stupidity is largely censored. As a result it’s bleeding out into the real world. I hang in very progressive social circles. Trust me when I tell you, you do not want this reality. Their lives are defined by their progressive causes and perceived slights and micro aggressions. Every introduction “must” involve your pronouns and if you “forget” them they will innocently ask you of them. As a result people are bumbling pronouns all the time, I cannot tell you how many times even the pronoun experts start to say “she” or “he” in casual conversation referring to someone but then panic and stutter and say “they” because they can’t quite remember what pronoun this particular person wants to go by today or if they’re a they/them who despises people who feel like they should be able to speak freely without knowing they’re very, very special and are too special to go by a binary pronoun. Mockery is the best defense against stupidity. Which is why it’s under such a big threat. And it’s why Elon is taking over Twitter.
  - akomtu 5y ago
    Some relevant offtopic here. Long time ago I came across a book of occult nature that, among other things, outlined 6 soul types, one of them being a curiously accurate portait of what we call wokeness now: ...individualised by vanity were born into city populations, and life after life they tended to drift together by similarity of tastes and contempt for others, even though their dominating idiosyncrasy of vanity led to much quarrelling and often-repeated ruptures among themselves. Separateness became much intensified, their minds strengthening in an undesirable way, and becoming more and more of a shell, shutting out others. Their emotions, as they repressed animal passions, grew less powerful, for the animal passions were starved out by a hard and cold asceticism, instead of being transmuted into human emotions; sex-passion, for instance, was destroyed instead of being changed into love. The result was that they had less feeling, birth after birth, and physically tended towards sexlessness, and while they developed individualism to a high point, this very development led to constant quarrels and rioting. They formed communities, but these broke up again, because no one would obey; each wanted to rule. Any attempt to help or guide them, on the part of more highly developed people, led to an outburst of jealousy and resentment, it being taken as a plan to manage or belittle them. Pride grew stronger and stronger, and they became cold and calculating, without pity and without remorse.
- nonethewiser 5y ago
  Then there is nothing anyone can do for you.
bobkazamakis 5y ago
> Free speech is dangerous; without censorship, progressive ideas cannot propagate because people can then make them look as silly as they truly are. By this definition, the US never would have abolished slavery. Those who praise conservative ideas always put those ideas in a vacuum where they can't be proven wrong. Fascinating, isn't it?
- water8 5y ago
  This is kinda riding on past accomplishments of the Republican party. Progress for progress's sake isn't always progress
  - bobkazamakis 5y ago
    the statement asserted has nothing to do with any specific party at any specific point in period. This is an example of progress during an era of which, apparently, free speech was unquestioned. The past accomplishments of the Republican party much more closely mirror the current Democratic party due to the Southern Strategy, but again, not relevant to the point being made. > Progress for progress's sake isn't always progress then it's definitively not progressive, isn't it? Conservation is a reactive stance, not an active one.
    - water8 5y ago
      Imagine someone sets fire to a masterpiece, art conservatives don't take a reactive stance and say "hey you shouldn't have done that", they take an active stance using safeguards to ensure that it doesn't happen in the first place because it can't be undone.

metamet 5y ago

You can criticize Twitter's leadership all you want, but I don't see how allowing Elon Musk to take ownership control of Twitter would better humanity.

kebman 5y ago
Yes, I do hold some criticisms against Twitter leadership, true, but I'm also fascinated by your view. So I wonder, what if I'm wrong? And then it would be really helpful to see your argument, if you have one. I'm on the fence on a number of things, so this is really your chance to change my mind. And if you do, I might do stuff like investing in Twitter right now, instead of waiting for Musk to take over. Just an example. I'm not saying I will, but it would be a logical next thing to do if you convince me. If not, then I'll probably just wait like everyone else.
JCharante 5y ago
and not allowing him to take control would better humanity? I wanted to eat dinner today but I don't see how that would better humanity. I don't see why humanity should be taken into considerating when it's irrelevant. Most people don't even use twitter.