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Yahoo actually returned more than Microsoft for a while, up until about 2017, thanks to their huge stake in Alibaba. Twitter doesn't have that tho, they're enti

Yahoo actually returned more than Microsoft for a while, up until about 2017, thanks to their huge stake in Alibaba. Twitter doesn't have that tho, they're entirely tied to their mediocre product. Killing Vine was the dumbest thing they ever did.

freefal 5y ago
I believe Microsoft offered a cash option so not sure subsequent returns are relevant.
andy_ppp 5y ago
If nobody has noticed, Twitter aren’t very good at building software, it’s incredibly buggy what they’ve made, I regularly click on tweets that have a comments count but zero comments. It’s seriously glitchy from the notifications to even writing tweets (the MAX chars counter went crazy for me the other day). Don’t get me started on editing tweets their logic is terrible here that you can never design a UX that doesn’t stop people changing the meaning of their message after the event. Finally the spam is just totally next level and they still have people selling Bitcoin scams under every Elon tweet. Asleep at the wheel.
- eropple 5y ago
  > I regularly click on tweets that have a comments count but zero comments As far as I can tell, that's because you're blocked by the commenter or the commenter is a private account.
  - wpietri 5y ago
    Correct. In internal Twitter jargon, some data is "perspectival" and some for performance reasons isn't. Actually viewing a tweet is calculated on the fly based on your personal perspective, as honoring privacy settings, blocks, etc, is crucial. But that's not true for counts, so those will be off. People who find this a shocking and objectionable sign of bugs are generally people who have not build software at such large scales.
    - kapp_in_life 5y ago
      >People who find this a shocking and objectionable sign of bugs are generally people who have not build software at such large scales. This leaves such a poor taste in my mouth. Perhaps the proper UX is to then _not display comment counts_ if your performance/cost tradeoff has determined that you can't display comment counts accurately. For higher comment counts it might be fine where a user isn't expected to read all 5000 replies(ignoring the edge case where its 5000 private/blocked accounts replying), but if a tweet has 2 replies then the user who clicks it expects to see those. Other large platforms have been able to solve this issue either in UX or implementation, so "web scale" isn't a good excuse.
      - delecti 5y ago
        A tweet you can't see still exists. I think it's perfectly reasonable to display accurate counts even if it's based on information you don't have access to.
        mikepurvis 5y ago
        The click-thru page could then display a clarifying “+ x more tweets that are private or not available at this time.”
      - cormacrelf 5y ago
        Yeah, sure, and kill the platform's greatest feature by MILES, which is the comment to like to RT ratio.
        mattgreenrocks 5y ago
        Is this the "ratio" I hear people talk about? I understand the idea but it feels a little too online for my taste. I'm probably not the target audience. Just feels like someone decided the tea leaves falling a certain way MUST indicate something.
        5y ago
  - charcircuit 5y ago
    No, this happens to me (less replies shown than exist) and it's definitely a caching issue and I am using the app logged in. I have to literally open twitter in my web browser to try and get those tweets to load unless I want to wait until later for whatever caches to be invalidated. I don't block anyone.
    - LegitShady 5y ago
      I think its related to their efforts to make twitter near impossible to browse if you aren't signed in.
      - charcircuit 5y ago
        I'm signed in on the app though so I would think it would be fine.
    - deleted 5y ago
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  - ikiris 5y ago
    Today op found out they're the problem lol
  - oneeyedpigeon 5y ago
    True, but... that's still a bug.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  Lol that’s because people have you blocked.
- scotty79 5y ago
  > Don’t get me started on editing tweets their logic is terrible here that you can never design a UX that doesn’t stop people changing the meaning of their message after the event. What if everyone could see full edit history of each twitt?
warning26 5y ago
> Killing Vine was the dumbest thing they ever did. 100% this. People are always confused why Facebook was allowed to buy Instagram, and this was, I think, a bit part of why. Vine was completely destroyed by Twitter's incompetent management, and prevailing wisdom was that Facebook would do the same to Instagram. "Okay Facebook has filters now! Time to shut down Instagram!"
- boppo1 5y ago
  Wait, you're saying FB was allowed to buy Insta because regulators assumed they'd fumble the ball? That they wanted Insta to die off?
  - mikepurvis 5y ago
    I think more just that there was precedent for that type/scale of acquisition.
    - majormajor 5y ago
      But Facebook bought Instagram before Vine was a thing, the causality is backward if you're interested in why FB/Insta was approved!
- FormerBandmate 5y ago
  TikTok is the biggest app in the world, and in a lot of ways it was initially just the Chinese clone of Vine. Truly mind-blowing how they squandered that opportunity, they could be many multiples higher than 54.20
treesknees 5y ago
Perhaps it was too early to be a competitor, but I always see TikTok as the real Vine replacement. Short silly videos you can scroll through. They could have done so well with Vine.
dsl 5y ago
> thanks to their huge stake in Alibaba 8.2 million shares of Google didn't hurt either.
nr2x 5y ago
Ugh, don’t remind me…I loved Vine, and find TikTok awful

freefal 5y ago

I believe Microsoft offered a cash option so not sure subsequent returns are relevant.

andy_ppp 5y ago

If nobody has noticed, Twitter aren’t very good at building software, it’s incredibly buggy what they’ve made, I regularly click on tweets that have a comments count but zero comments. It’s seriously glitchy from the notifications to even writing tweets (the MAX chars counter went crazy for me the other day). Don’t get me started on editing tweets their logic is terrible here that you can never design a UX that doesn’t stop people changing the meaning of their message after the event. Finally the spam is just totally next level and they still have people selling Bitcoin scams under every Elon tweet. Asleep at the wheel.

eropple 5y ago
> I regularly click on tweets that have a comments count but zero comments As far as I can tell, that's because you're blocked by the commenter or the commenter is a private account.
- wpietri 5y ago
  Correct. In internal Twitter jargon, some data is "perspectival" and some for performance reasons isn't. Actually viewing a tweet is calculated on the fly based on your personal perspective, as honoring privacy settings, blocks, etc, is crucial. But that's not true for counts, so those will be off. People who find this a shocking and objectionable sign of bugs are generally people who have not build software at such large scales.
  - kapp_in_life 5y ago
    >People who find this a shocking and objectionable sign of bugs are generally people who have not build software at such large scales. This leaves such a poor taste in my mouth. Perhaps the proper UX is to then _not display comment counts_ if your performance/cost tradeoff has determined that you can't display comment counts accurately. For higher comment counts it might be fine where a user isn't expected to read all 5000 replies(ignoring the edge case where its 5000 private/blocked accounts replying), but if a tweet has 2 replies then the user who clicks it expects to see those. Other large platforms have been able to solve this issue either in UX or implementation, so "web scale" isn't a good excuse.
    - delecti 5y ago
      A tweet you can't see still exists. I think it's perfectly reasonable to display accurate counts even if it's based on information you don't have access to.
      - mikepurvis 5y ago
        The click-thru page could then display a clarifying “+ x more tweets that are private or not available at this time.”
    - cormacrelf 5y ago
      Yeah, sure, and kill the platform's greatest feature by MILES, which is the comment to like to RT ratio.
      - mattgreenrocks 5y ago
        Is this the "ratio" I hear people talk about? I understand the idea but it feels a little too online for my taste. I'm probably not the target audience. Just feels like someone decided the tea leaves falling a certain way MUST indicate something.
        5y ago
- charcircuit 5y ago
  No, this happens to me (less replies shown than exist) and it's definitely a caching issue and I am using the app logged in. I have to literally open twitter in my web browser to try and get those tweets to load unless I want to wait until later for whatever caches to be invalidated. I don't block anyone.
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    I think its related to their efforts to make twitter near impossible to browse if you aren't signed in.
    - charcircuit 5y ago
      I'm signed in on the app though so I would think it would be fine.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- ikiris 5y ago
  Today op found out they're the problem lol
- oneeyedpigeon 5y ago
  True, but... that's still a bug.
chrisseaton 5y ago
Lol that’s because people have you blocked.
scotty79 5y ago
> Don’t get me started on editing tweets their logic is terrible here that you can never design a UX that doesn’t stop people changing the meaning of their message after the event. What if everyone could see full edit history of each twitt?

warning26 5y ago

> Killing Vine was the dumbest thing they ever did. 100% this. People are always confused why Facebook was allowed to buy Instagram, and this was, I think, a bit part of why. Vine was completely destroyed by Twitter's incompetent management, and prevailing wisdom was that Facebook would do the same to Instagram. "Okay Facebook has filters now! Time to shut down Instagram!"

boppo1 5y ago
Wait, you're saying FB was allowed to buy Insta because regulators assumed they'd fumble the ball? That they wanted Insta to die off?
- mikepurvis 5y ago
  I think more just that there was precedent for that type/scale of acquisition.
  - majormajor 5y ago
    But Facebook bought Instagram before Vine was a thing, the causality is backward if you're interested in why FB/Insta was approved!
FormerBandmate 5y ago
TikTok is the biggest app in the world, and in a lot of ways it was initially just the Chinese clone of Vine. Truly mind-blowing how they squandered that opportunity, they could be many multiples higher than 54.20

treesknees 5y ago

Perhaps it was too early to be a competitor, but I always see TikTok as the real Vine replacement. Short silly videos you can scroll through. They could have done so well with Vine.

dsl 5y ago

> thanks to their huge stake in Alibaba 8.2 million shares of Google didn't hurt either.

nr2x 5y ago

Ugh, don’t remind me…I loved Vine, and find TikTok awful