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That article is a discombobulated conservative rant that accuses all corporate America of being leftist (please), and contains zero verifiable details that supp
by dahart 5y ago
That article is a discombobulated conservative rant that accuses all corporate America of being leftist (please), and contains zero verifiable details that support the title, as far as I can tell.
What, exactly, is it saying the ACLU did? What, exactly, is it referring to? The only sentence that even attempts to answer that question is: “an ACLU official said it was perfectly legitimate for his lawyers to decline to defend hate speech.”
That statement is a fact. Hate speech is explicitly exempt from U.S. Free Speech protections. If you’re going to defend Free Speech, please read a little about the limitations on Free Speech, and some of the history that brought about those limitations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech#Limitations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech#Limitations
Limits on Free Speech is as much a conservative value as a liberal value. Framing this as a leftist takeover of “woke” values is a thinly veiled misinformation FUD campaign designed to confuse you about what U.S. values are and convince you liberals are attacking, while hypocritically doing all the attacking. Don’t let this junk work on you, stay curious and seek verifiable facts, not tribal opinion.
- refurb 5y agoHate speech is explicitly exempt from U.S. Free Speech protections. That’s not true. The US restricts speech that incites imminent criminal behavior. That’s all. The ACLU is famous for defend a Nazi rally through a Jewish town of Skokie, IL. That ACLU is dead now.
- themitigating 5y agohttps://www.aclu.org/cases/shurtleff-v-city-boston-no-20-1800 https://www.aclu.org/cases/shurtleff-v-city-boston-no-20-180... In an amicus brief filed with the Supreme Court, the ACLU and ACLU of Massachusetts argue that Boston’s denial of Camp Constitution’s request to display its flag violated the group’s free-speech rights On March 2nd 2022. You made the claim the ACLU is dead , what evidence do you have to support that?
- refurb 5y agoThe state-level ACLU seems to be more immune, but the national level ACLU is fracturing and advocating speech limits. https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2017/8/20/16167870/aclu-hate-speech-nazis-charlottesville https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2017/8/20/16167870/aclu-hat...
- nradov 5y agoThat is not legally correct. Hate speech is not explicitly exempt from US free speech protections. There is no such law, you're just making things up. Unless it contains an explicit incitement to violence, hate speech is completely legal. The link you cited doesn't support your point. The internal ACLU policy is apparently now to consider politics when deciding which speech to defend. As a private organization they're free to make those choices but it's disappointing to see them retreat from the values that I and other liberals hold dear. https://fee.org/articles/the-aclu-is-no-longer-free-speechs-champion-but-other-groups-are-filling-the-gap/ https://fee.org/articles/the-aclu-is-no-longer-free-speechs-... And I am perfectly well aware of what real US values are. Condescending advice from someone ignorant about basic Constitutional law is not helpful or appreciated.
- Hasu 5y ago> Hate speech is explicitly exempt from U.S. Free Speech protections. If you’re going to defend Free Speech, please read a little about the limitations on Free Speech, and some of the history that brought about those limitations. Your own link makes it clear that in the US, hate speech is protected speech. "Hate speech is also protected by the First Amendment in the United States, as decided in R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, (1992) in which the Supreme Court ruled that hate speech is permissible, except in the case of imminent violence"