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I've never heard of men complaining about their female partners being untidy with household things except in the case where they simply do nothing (and that's r

I've never heard of men complaining about their female partners being untidy with household things except in the case where they simply do nothing (and that's rare), is that common where you are. My father did all the washing up in our house growing up, and mum did most of the cooking, but he never once annotated me for leaving dirty dishes whilst my mother regularly would complain. Almost every married woman I know fits the stereotype of being more houseproud than their husbands (I'm in the UK). You call it sexist, but it seems to reflect a genuine sex-based divide.

weldedtogether 5y ago
Anecdotal evidence as it is, I'd like to vouch for the fact that I am usually the "mother" in this scenario. Dirty dishes being left out drives me nuts, especially if it's overnight. When I wake up and come out of the bedroom to a clean house, I'm relaxed. Waking up to a house with dishes still around from the night before can set a baseline stressed (need to do this still) mood for a hefty chunk of my day. On the other end, my girlfriend doesn't seem to mind at all. She does when it gets very messy, but the minor ones don't bother her like it does me. The author's mindset regarding dishes in the above article does remind a bit of her as well.
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- op00to 5y ago
  My anxiety manifests in similar ways. I "do the dishes" (or whatever annoying task it is that tweaks my anxiety in the morning) before I wind down for the night. I take control of my own happiness.
  - ikr678 5y ago
    I finished work around two hours before my ex. I'd get home, clean the house to my standards, declutter and only then be able to relax after work when the space was in order. They'd get home from work later, and to relax immediately discard laptop, jacket, shoes, mail around the house, get changed and leave work clothes on the floor, start making a snack and leave plates in the kitchen before I was about to make dinner. We contributed equally towards costs of living, so there was no 'breadwinner' power imbalance, just a fundamentally different expectation of how our living space should be used. I never found a way to reconcile this.
    - selcuka 5y ago
      > I never found a way to reconcile this. I guess one sane way is to hire someone to tidy up the house on a daily basis and share the cost.
- brewdad 5y ago
  I'm the one who is fine with a few dishes left overnight while my wife dislikes it but not enough to clean them herself (normally dish washing is my responsibility). We found a decent compromise by putting in a bigger, deeper sink when we remodeled our kitchen. Now a couple of glasses and bowls left overnight aren't really even visible until you are standing directly over the sink.
vasco 5y ago
In my relationship it's the other way around so there goes your theory.
atombum 5y ago
Well let me be a data point to the contrary for you.
uoaei 5y ago
> it seems to reflect a genuine sex-based divide. You seem to have an extraordinarily limited and homogenous social circle.
metalliqaz 5y ago
> I've never heard of men complaining about their female partners being untidy with household things Know him? Of course I know him. He's me.
maweaver 5y ago
I am have found that since I started working from home due to covid, a neat house is much more important to me. It makes me anxious being in a house all day that is a mess. And I have become the one who bugs my wife to please pick up after herself more. I wonder if women traditionally spending more time at home is the cause of this gender difference.
- phatfish 5y ago
  My guess is there is a "feng shui" side to cleanliness, tripping over clothes or having a sink full of dishes is more likely to affect you if you are in contact with it more often. But also i think there is a biological reason. Mothers notice dangers to young children more, as on an evolutionary time scale they were responsible for protecting a child from birth, when the child is most vulnerable. Keeping things clean stops any nasty avoidable accidents.
  - agota 5y ago
    I have the same theory on women having been selected for caring about their environment. I see that as an argument for choosing traditional gender roles because it seems to me that one of the main causes of conflict in 50/50 relationships are these arguments about chores, tidiness, etc. Splitting chores 50/50 seems like asking for trouble given that men and women have evolved differently in this regard - he ends up feeling that she's endlessly nagging him, she ends up feeling that she has to manage him like a child. Seems like the traditional breadwinner/homemaker setup would be a solution to this problem.

weldedtogether 5y ago

Anecdotal evidence as it is, I'd like to vouch for the fact that I am usually the "mother" in this scenario. Dirty dishes being left out drives me nuts, especially if it's overnight. When I wake up and come out of the bedroom to a clean house, I'm relaxed. Waking up to a house with dishes still around from the night before can set a baseline stressed (need to do this still) mood for a hefty chunk of my day. On the other end, my girlfriend doesn't seem to mind at all. She does when it gets very messy, but the minor ones don't bother her like it does me. The author's mindset regarding dishes in the above article does remind a bit of her as well.

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op00to 5y ago
My anxiety manifests in similar ways. I "do the dishes" (or whatever annoying task it is that tweaks my anxiety in the morning) before I wind down for the night. I take control of my own happiness.
- ikr678 5y ago
  I finished work around two hours before my ex. I'd get home, clean the house to my standards, declutter and only then be able to relax after work when the space was in order. They'd get home from work later, and to relax immediately discard laptop, jacket, shoes, mail around the house, get changed and leave work clothes on the floor, start making a snack and leave plates in the kitchen before I was about to make dinner. We contributed equally towards costs of living, so there was no 'breadwinner' power imbalance, just a fundamentally different expectation of how our living space should be used. I never found a way to reconcile this.
  - selcuka 5y ago
    > I never found a way to reconcile this. I guess one sane way is to hire someone to tidy up the house on a daily basis and share the cost.
brewdad 5y ago
I'm the one who is fine with a few dishes left overnight while my wife dislikes it but not enough to clean them herself (normally dish washing is my responsibility). We found a decent compromise by putting in a bigger, deeper sink when we remodeled our kitchen. Now a couple of glasses and bowls left overnight aren't really even visible until you are standing directly over the sink.

vasco 5y ago

In my relationship it's the other way around so there goes your theory.

atombum 5y ago

Well let me be a data point to the contrary for you.

uoaei 5y ago

> it seems to reflect a genuine sex-based divide. You seem to have an extraordinarily limited and homogenous social circle.

metalliqaz 5y ago

> I've never heard of men complaining about their female partners being untidy with household things Know him? Of course I know him. He's me.

maweaver 5y ago

I am have found that since I started working from home due to covid, a neat house is much more important to me. It makes me anxious being in a house all day that is a mess. And I have become the one who bugs my wife to please pick up after herself more. I wonder if women traditionally spending more time at home is the cause of this gender difference.

phatfish 5y ago
My guess is there is a "feng shui" side to cleanliness, tripping over clothes or having a sink full of dishes is more likely to affect you if you are in contact with it more often. But also i think there is a biological reason. Mothers notice dangers to young children more, as on an evolutionary time scale they were responsible for protecting a child from birth, when the child is most vulnerable. Keeping things clean stops any nasty avoidable accidents.
- agota 5y ago
  I have the same theory on women having been selected for caring about their environment. I see that as an argument for choosing traditional gender roles because it seems to me that one of the main causes of conflict in 50/50 relationships are these arguments about chores, tidiness, etc. Splitting chores 50/50 seems like asking for trouble given that men and women have evolved differently in this regard - he ends up feeling that she's endlessly nagging him, she ends up feeling that she has to manage him like a child. Seems like the traditional breadwinner/homemaker setup would be a solution to this problem.