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We discussed that yesterday among my friends but nobody could come up with a good use case. Let’s say Art. What makes art valuable in a sense is that artists h

We discussed that yesterday among my friends but nobody could come up with a good use case. Let’s say Art. What makes art valuable in a sense is that artists have an opportunity cost of doing that art. It’s a sacrifice of something else in their life. AI art gets inflated instantly. Everyone can get a beautiful painting in a button click. Not valuable. Can someone come up with a use case for this?

jimkleiber 4y ago
Oh I can probably come up with many use cases. Business models? I'm not sure. I could use it for...inspiration, stock images for a demo site, actual images for a live site, t-shirt designs, coffee mugs, and those drop shipping products, podcast or album artwork, etc. Yes, maybe design starts to blend, yet lots of web designers used Bootstrap and Material Design so that sites started to look the same anyway. Maybe it'll just be things looking the same except with more artistic images.
- deadcoder0904 4y ago
  plenty of business models. anything that requires designers can be used with dall•e for a monthly cost. designers require $1k-10k a month (assuming you're in us) & dall•e can greatly reduce that cost to $100 a month through scale. i believe dall•e is even more useful than gpt-3 because as of now, only real business model that worked for gpt-3 was copywriting. dall•e will have branches under images like tshirts, replacing desingers or providing designers with more inspiration, stock photos, nfts & so much more...
  - testmasterflex 4y ago
    Sorry what I meant with “use case” is of course business model and you catched that. I’m not convinced that people would pay for that at all. It could be a helpful tool for a designer but if you’re saying someone would pay to get something done in the press of a button click I think that’s a very short term business that will be outmatched by an open source free alternative almost immediately. Just look at how fast web designers are getting outcompeted by free frontend frameworks like Bootstrap or icon libs like Font Awesome. Perhaps I’m just explaining the natural way of business and commodities, and most goods and services follows this pattern.
mijamo 4y ago
- in real estate, generate visions on how an empty apartment / house would look like with different styles of furniture (there are already some products for that but need more work) - replace all the stock photo industry for professional illustrations - mèmes. Huge potential there - accessible image image manipulation. For instance the typical "remove that person", make me smile, add something cool in the background etc. - not completely sure but I think it could be use as a texture generator for games and FX? For instance it seems to be able to make really nice grass, so I guess making metal / dirt / foilage texture should be possible - would also need some investigation but it probably is possible to make renders about how a specific piece of clothing would look like on you on the beach. There are already some products that try to do that but they are pretty limited and don't let you change the context either. That might be tough about details and sizes though
asplake 4y ago
Images for slide decks?
Rodeoclash 4y ago
My son is into writing "pick a path"-esque stories. This would be perfect for illustrating them.
bakuninsbart 4y ago
- Generate unique pictures for projects (icons, buttons, etc), or for presentations. Especially for short, not-so-serious presentations, I'm scouring google images quite a bit for a fitting picture. DALL-E might greatly reduce time spent on that. - "Get a poster of your writing prompt" -> I think some of the t-shirt/poster companies will definetely incorporate DALL-E, and let users choose from a set of designs based on their writing prompt. - NFTs maybe? And just playing around with it for fun or views on social media. I also think somewhere there must be a fun little game one can make based on it. There was a pretty awesome rpg_generator for GPT3, maybe some kind of puzzle game based on DALL-E?
- mach1ne 4y ago
  Problem with the first two is that, to my understanding, there's zero guarantee that DALL-e will not generate copyrighted material which exists in some form or the other in the training data set. And you can't really check if the image generated holds it.
  - emteycz 4y ago
    Why is that a problem? A custom shirt printing company would offer the generator. It's up to the customer to decide whether the output can be legally sold (or, perhaps, they're not selling it). Anything you wish can be printed today, any logo of any brand. Only selling it is as a product restricted.
    - nomel 4y ago
      > can be legally sold Copyright law doesn't only cover when things are directly sold (see piracy and the birthday song). This comment section is filled to the brim with posts missing a "IANAL" disclaimer. IANAL.
      - emteycz 4y ago
        Whatever it covers, it never stopped anybody I know from ordering whatever shirts they wanted, even if it had like 100 logos of all possible brands on it (yeah we really tried to trigger some reaction - couldn't), and nobody ever had any problem with us ordering it or wearing it (or any other t-shirt we """illegaly""" made).
TripleH 4y ago
As mentioned by mrandish on the initial DALL-E post [1], disrupting the stock photography market is a big one. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30935414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30935414
- camillomiller 4y ago
  For me, as someone who has to use stock photography often, this doesn’t make much sense. What I really value is an AI system that sorts pictures fast. I don’t need exactly the depiction I’m looking for, but I want to discover a look and style that fits well with the project. This is not what Dall•e is capable at providing. The first stock photography dall•e service has a big chance of turning into the Microsoft clip art of photography more than a disruptor of the market. From an artistic point of view, the value is zero. Dall•e pictures will never have any Aura to them. And for an artist to use them artistically Dall•e is “too easy”, as the artist won’t have produced or worked on the model itself. All in all, Dall•e is the most exciting, technologically advanced, and beautifully useless AI project I’ve ever seen.
  - dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
    > I want to discover a look and style that fits well with the project. Why is DALL-E (or more likely its successors) not suitable then? It can produce a large amount of similar pictures based on a vague theme. > Dall•e pictures will never have any Aura to them. Debatable, I actually really quite like a lot of its art. Regardless, nobody uses stock photography for its "Aura".
  - PoignardAzur 4y ago
    That's such a weird take. Today my personal biggest use of AI is for generating photos of faces as profile pictures for tabletop rpg character sheets. I don't need them to be perfect, I just need quick, easy, cheap content that's good enough. Tomorrow I might use Dall-E to create illustrations for my blog posts, or depict environments for my tabletop campaigns. They might be "too easy", but they'll be cheap and quick and good enough for the purpose.
  - 4y ago
arc-in-space 4y ago
Generating assets for games is a pretty obvious one; if done well, it could significantly reduce production costs. And I'm sure you could come up with similar areas where sometimes you just need a bunch of cheap art.
block_dagger 4y ago
https://storykey-demo.com/ https://storykey-demo.com/
- testmasterflex 4y ago
  A better lorem ipsum at this point.
ralfd 4y ago
From the article: People use it to generate avatars from their twitter bio description. https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1511861061988892675 https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1511861061988892675
IIAOPSW 4y ago
Wall paper and waiting area decor. Logo and branding design. Stock photos. Children's books illustrations. Comic book illustration. Ikea assembly instructions. Need more?
Marazan 4y ago
Blog spam. The "ideal" article from a Google SEO point of view had 2 or 3 images spaced through the article text.
- deleted 4y ago
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a_f 4y ago
>Can someone come up with a use case for this? My first thought was stock images for news sites and blogs
- jtbayly 4y ago
  That’s what I want to use it for right now. Does anybody know if it’s possible?
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
If I wanted to throw 10M to a piece of art, I'd rather spend it training Dall-e-2, and have an enormous OLED "canvas" that displays pictures generated by the model.
dougmwne 4y ago
It seems like a wonderful replacement for Shutterstock or clip art libraries for all manner of articles and presentations. You just need another NN to filter out images too similar to a copyrighted image much like YouTube's content ID system. The images are much better matched to a theme than using Google image search and they do not need to be licensed.

jimkleiber 4y ago

Oh I can probably come up with many use cases. Business models? I'm not sure. I could use it for...inspiration, stock images for a demo site, actual images for a live site, t-shirt designs, coffee mugs, and those drop shipping products, podcast or album artwork, etc. Yes, maybe design starts to blend, yet lots of web designers used Bootstrap and Material Design so that sites started to look the same anyway. Maybe it'll just be things looking the same except with more artistic images.

deadcoder0904 4y ago
plenty of business models. anything that requires designers can be used with dall•e for a monthly cost. designers require $1k-10k a month (assuming you're in us) & dall•e can greatly reduce that cost to $100 a month through scale. i believe dall•e is even more useful than gpt-3 because as of now, only real business model that worked for gpt-3 was copywriting. dall•e will have branches under images like tshirts, replacing desingers or providing designers with more inspiration, stock photos, nfts & so much more...
- testmasterflex 4y ago
  Sorry what I meant with “use case” is of course business model and you catched that. I’m not convinced that people would pay for that at all. It could be a helpful tool for a designer but if you’re saying someone would pay to get something done in the press of a button click I think that’s a very short term business that will be outmatched by an open source free alternative almost immediately. Just look at how fast web designers are getting outcompeted by free frontend frameworks like Bootstrap or icon libs like Font Awesome. Perhaps I’m just explaining the natural way of business and commodities, and most goods and services follows this pattern.

mijamo 4y ago

- in real estate, generate visions on how an empty apartment / house would look like with different styles of furniture (there are already some products for that but need more work) - replace all the stock photo industry for professional illustrations - mèmes. Huge potential there - accessible image image manipulation. For instance the typical "remove that person", make me smile, add something cool in the background etc. - not completely sure but I think it could be use as a texture generator for games and FX? For instance it seems to be able to make really nice grass, so I guess making metal / dirt / foilage texture should be possible - would also need some investigation but it probably is possible to make renders about how a specific piece of clothing would look like on you on the beach. There are already some products that try to do that but they are pretty limited and don't let you change the context either. That might be tough about details and sizes though

asplake 4y ago

Images for slide decks?

Rodeoclash 4y ago

My son is into writing "pick a path"-esque stories. This would be perfect for illustrating them.

bakuninsbart 4y ago

- Generate unique pictures for projects (icons, buttons, etc), or for presentations. Especially for short, not-so-serious presentations, I'm scouring google images quite a bit for a fitting picture. DALL-E might greatly reduce time spent on that. - "Get a poster of your writing prompt" -> I think some of the t-shirt/poster companies will definetely incorporate DALL-E, and let users choose from a set of designs based on their writing prompt. - NFTs maybe? And just playing around with it for fun or views on social media. I also think somewhere there must be a fun little game one can make based on it. There was a pretty awesome rpg_generator for GPT3, maybe some kind of puzzle game based on DALL-E?

mach1ne 4y ago
Problem with the first two is that, to my understanding, there's zero guarantee that DALL-e will not generate copyrighted material which exists in some form or the other in the training data set. And you can't really check if the image generated holds it.
- emteycz 4y ago
  Why is that a problem? A custom shirt printing company would offer the generator. It's up to the customer to decide whether the output can be legally sold (or, perhaps, they're not selling it). Anything you wish can be printed today, any logo of any brand. Only selling it is as a product restricted.
  - nomel 4y ago
    > can be legally sold Copyright law doesn't only cover when things are directly sold (see piracy and the birthday song). This comment section is filled to the brim with posts missing a "IANAL" disclaimer. IANAL.
    - emteycz 4y ago
      Whatever it covers, it never stopped anybody I know from ordering whatever shirts they wanted, even if it had like 100 logos of all possible brands on it (yeah we really tried to trigger some reaction - couldn't), and nobody ever had any problem with us ordering it or wearing it (or any other t-shirt we """illegaly""" made).

TripleH 4y ago

As mentioned by mrandish on the initial DALL-E post [1], disrupting the stock photography market is a big one. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30935414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30935414

camillomiller 4y ago
For me, as someone who has to use stock photography often, this doesn’t make much sense. What I really value is an AI system that sorts pictures fast. I don’t need exactly the depiction I’m looking for, but I want to discover a look and style that fits well with the project. This is not what Dall•e is capable at providing. The first stock photography dall•e service has a big chance of turning into the Microsoft clip art of photography more than a disruptor of the market. From an artistic point of view, the value is zero. Dall•e pictures will never have any Aura to them. And for an artist to use them artistically Dall•e is “too easy”, as the artist won’t have produced or worked on the model itself. All in all, Dall•e is the most exciting, technologically advanced, and beautifully useless AI project I’ve ever seen.
- dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
  > I want to discover a look and style that fits well with the project. Why is DALL-E (or more likely its successors) not suitable then? It can produce a large amount of similar pictures based on a vague theme. > Dall•e pictures will never have any Aura to them. Debatable, I actually really quite like a lot of its art. Regardless, nobody uses stock photography for its "Aura".
- PoignardAzur 4y ago
  That's such a weird take. Today my personal biggest use of AI is for generating photos of faces as profile pictures for tabletop rpg character sheets. I don't need them to be perfect, I just need quick, easy, cheap content that's good enough. Tomorrow I might use Dall-E to create illustrations for my blog posts, or depict environments for my tabletop campaigns. They might be "too easy", but they'll be cheap and quick and good enough for the purpose.
- 4y ago

arc-in-space 4y ago

Generating assets for games is a pretty obvious one; if done well, it could significantly reduce production costs. And I'm sure you could come up with similar areas where sometimes you just need a bunch of cheap art.

block_dagger 4y ago

https://storykey-demo.com/ https://storykey-demo.com/

testmasterflex 4y ago
A better lorem ipsum at this point.

ralfd 4y ago

From the article: People use it to generate avatars from their twitter bio description. https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1511861061988892675 https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1511861061988892675

IIAOPSW 4y ago

Wall paper and waiting area decor. Logo and branding design. Stock photos. Children's books illustrations. Comic book illustration. Ikea assembly instructions. Need more?

Marazan 4y ago

Blog spam. The "ideal" article from a Google SEO point of view had 2 or 3 images spaced through the article text.

deleted 4y ago
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a_f 4y ago

>Can someone come up with a use case for this? My first thought was stock images for news sites and blogs

jtbayly 4y ago
That’s what I want to use it for right now. Does anybody know if it’s possible?

PartiallyTyped 4y ago

If I wanted to throw 10M to a piece of art, I'd rather spend it training Dall-e-2, and have an enormous OLED "canvas" that displays pictures generated by the model.

dougmwne 4y ago

It seems like a wonderful replacement for Shutterstock or clip art libraries for all manner of articles and presentations. You just need another NN to filter out images too similar to a copyrighted image much like YouTube's content ID system. The images are much better matched to a theme than using Google image search and they do not need to be licensed.