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I sympathise with the employees, however unions have pratically zero chance of gaining concessions from Amazon. Amazon can give more shifts to non striking wor

I sympathise with the employees, however unions have pratically zero chance of gaining concessions from Amazon. Amazon can give more shifts to non striking workers, train new employees in a matter of hours, leverage labour hire companies, bus in workers from other facilities, lean on FBM and other 3PL providers, increase automation. They also have a massive network of fulfilment centers and can easily just ship in fulfilled orders from elsewhere using non union trucking and last mile. Amazon also has deep pockets and a long time horizon, so worst case they'll just allow the facility to be shut down by strikes and let their customers know it'll take another day to deliver their order from elsewhere.

giraffe_lady 5y ago
Compelling argument for seizing and nationalizing amazon right there. That's power way beyond even monopoly, I can't see how it can be justified.
- scarab92 5y ago
  What you are referring to is monopsony power, and Amazon isn't even close to having a monospony on warehouse labor. Warehousing is massive industry and even at their size Amazon is less than 10% of it. The most realistic solution is for workers to spend any spare time they have learning new skills to move into better industries. Trying to make pick pack roles not suck is not realistic.
derefr 5y ago
Strong unions can lobby for protections just like Amazon can. Municipalities could be persuaded to e.g. outlaw non-union (err, "non-licensed") logistics providers from delivering within the city limits; where "licensed" logistics companies are required to work with only "licensed" fulfillment centers, and so forth. Suddenly there'd be these centers of demand that could only be met by union shops.
- scarab92 5y ago
  Local municipalities typically do not have the jurisidiction to regulate last mile delivery, let alone the desire to do so, and Amazon can always use USPS / FedEx / UPS which local municipalities won't be able to restrict.
- CountSessine 5y ago
  Why would the municipality do that to homeowners, the majority of whom are not logistics warehouse employees but do want products delivered to them quickly and inexpensively? Like, just the game-theoretic analysis here suggests municipalities will want nothing to do with this.
Melatonic 5y ago
If enough warehouses unionize they could have a shot at it. But yeah - it is pretty damn hard at a huge scale to take on a behemoth like Amazon. I can see it happening if there is really a will to do it.

giraffe_lady 5y ago

Compelling argument for seizing and nationalizing amazon right there. That's power way beyond even monopoly, I can't see how it can be justified.

scarab92 5y ago
What you are referring to is monopsony power, and Amazon isn't even close to having a monospony on warehouse labor. Warehousing is massive industry and even at their size Amazon is less than 10% of it. The most realistic solution is for workers to spend any spare time they have learning new skills to move into better industries. Trying to make pick pack roles not suck is not realistic.

derefr 5y ago

Strong unions can lobby for protections just like Amazon can. Municipalities could be persuaded to e.g. outlaw non-union (err, "non-licensed") logistics providers from delivering within the city limits; where "licensed" logistics companies are required to work with only "licensed" fulfillment centers, and so forth. Suddenly there'd be these centers of demand that could only be met by union shops.

scarab92 5y ago
Local municipalities typically do not have the jurisidiction to regulate last mile delivery, let alone the desire to do so, and Amazon can always use USPS / FedEx / UPS which local municipalities won't be able to restrict.
CountSessine 5y ago
Why would the municipality do that to homeowners, the majority of whom are not logistics warehouse employees but do want products delivered to them quickly and inexpensively? Like, just the game-theoretic analysis here suggests municipalities will want nothing to do with this.

Melatonic 5y ago

If enough warehouses unionize they could have a shot at it. But yeah - it is pretty damn hard at a huge scale to take on a behemoth like Amazon. I can see it happening if there is really a will to do it.